Here is a LIST of Available chips/boxes for 2.0 CR TDI – comments/experiences?

[Greenone]

Any comments? seems the Unitronic and Upsolute give the highest increases, but for track use I would prefer "smooth", not just on/off power.
There are many chips out there, it appears most favor Malone, Upsolute chips, Unitronic.
People say Malone is a nice "smooth" tune; but it does not seem the most aggressive HP-wise.
It appears these numbers are software upgrades only, no hardware ie. Turbo
I apologize in advance for any errors. Some may not be available in the us.
If only one tune was listed, I linked it with "Stage 1"
From looking below, although a “box” is easier, a chip is probably better, especially if you want to upgrade components in future (turbo, injectors, exhaust). Some thread mentioned in Europe these engines minus the DPF were pushing 200+HP, but someone else thought the engine internals were different.
Stock numbers are for the 2.0 CR TDI engine: HP/Torque 140/236
Unitronic
Stage 1 175/295
Upsolute
Stage 1 177/291
Malone
Stage 1 153/287 Stage 2 163/295
Rocketchip
Stage 1 170/273 24 PSI
Wetterauer
Stage 1 170/295
Revotechnik
Stage 1 170/277
Neuspeed
Stage 1 170/275
optima-chiptunning
Stage 1 168/277

Superchips
Stage 1 168/269

V=tech power experts
Stage 1 "chip" 165 HP, "box" 170 HP
Diesel-tuning.com or parleysdieselperformance.com/
Stage1 “box” 168/205 – they list stock torque at 174, strange; their increase of 31 added to stock 236 would be 267

Chiptuning.eu
Stage 1 "box" plugs into common rail connector 190 HP
Tuningbox.com "box"
Stage 1 170/277
Mikrotuning
n/a no CR chip

APR
n/a diesel chip, but I found a thread from 2009, someone stated they were in contact with APR and that they would have a diesel chip in the near future.

[Charrigan]

APR's flash is in the final stages of beta testing. Power figures are on par with Malone and Revo.

I was told by 2 employees they are aiming for a release this summer.

[JSWTDI09]

An interesting list, however, I have one comment:

Horsepower and torque numbers vary a lot depending on the type and condition of the dynomometer used. Some brands of dyno put more load on the engine than others. Also, some dynos measure these numbers at the crank and others measure these numbers at the wheels. In other words most of the stage one (or two) numbers are actually very close to each other. The difference between Malone and Revo, for example (or any other pair), could easily be attributed to the fact that they were measured on different dynos. My Revo tune came in at 156.3 BHP and 302.9 Lb-ft or torque on a Mustang dyno. This is very different from what Revo claims (and what you posted), but I do not consider this to be an error, but rather just a difference in how the dyno measured it.

The difference between dynos can easily be bigger than the difference between tunes. The only really accurate way to compare tunes would be to test each tune on the same dyno, under the same conditions. This would not be an easy thing to do without getting a bunch of our cars together at the same place (perhaps at a TDIFest).

Here is some good info on comparing dynos: http://g35driver.com/forums/engine-d...good-read.html

Have Fun!

Don

[MayorDJQ]

I have a Rocketchip stage 1 tune in my Golf and I'm very happy with it. The engine is a lot more responsive at low RPM. 2nd and 3rd pull much better from 2k right up to 4k. I tend to cruise at 2k RPM. Power response in 4th and 5th is also much better.

I would never consider a plug-in box for a CR, especially one that claims 190hp.

[JSWTDI09]

Originally Posted by MayorDJQ

I would never consider a plug-in box for a CR, especially one that claims 190hp.

I have to agree with this statement. The best that a "tuning box" can do is to lie to the ECU about certain parameters (like fuel rail pressure or MAF readings, etc.). It does not have the same level of control that a real ECU tune has. A real tune can do a lot more and do it more safely.

Have Fun!

Don

[flyboy320]

Can a tune box disable the LP-EGR, or only an ECU tune can do that?

[boost4life]

this for sure, Mustang dyno's are one of the lowest reading out there.

Originally Posted by JSWTDI09

An interesting list, however, I have one comment:

Horsepower and torque numbers vary a lot depending on the type and condition of the dynomometer used. Some brands of dyno put more load on the engine than others. Also, some dynos measure these numbers at the crank and others measure these numbers at the wheels. In other words most of the stage one (or two) numbers are actually very close to each other. The difference between Malone and Revo, for example (or any other pair), could easily be attributed to the fact that they were measured on different dynos. My Revo tune came in at 156.3 BHP and 302.9 Lb-ft or torque on a Mustang dyno. This is very different from what Revo claims (and what you posted), but I do not consider this to be an error, but rather just a difference in how the dyno measured it.

The difference between dynos can easily be bigger than the difference between tunes. The only really accurate way to compare tunes would be to test each tune on the same dyno, under the same conditions. This would not be an easy thing to do without getting a bunch of our cars together at the same place (perhaps at a TDIFest).

Here is some good info on comparing dynos: http://g35driver.com/forums/engine-d...good-read.html

Have Fun!

Don

[MayorDJQ]

Originally Posted by flyboy320

Can a tune box disable the LP-EGR, or only an ECU tune can do that?

I would be willing to wager that only a tune from a reputable tuner will be able to disable anything, let alone the LP-EGR.

A "tuning box" is an expensive set of potentiometers, nothing more.

[JSWTDI09]

Originally Posted by MayorDJQ

A "tuning box" is an expensive set of potentiometers, nothing more.

The better ones might be computer controlled potentiometers.

Originally Posted by Flyboy320

Can a tune box disable the LP-EGR, or only an ECU tune can do that?

No. A tuning box cannot disable anything except maybe the sensor it is plugged into. All EGR is controlled by the ECU in CR engines.


Have Fun!

Don

[MayorDJQ]

Originally Posted by JSWTDI09

All EGR is controlled by the ECU in CR engines.

And in the BRM, BRU, BEW, BHW, ALH, AHU, and just about every other modern VW engine--gas or Diesel.


@flyboy, Send me the $699 that you'd spend on a "tuning box" and I'll pay for a Stage 1 tune from Rocketchip or Malone, your choice. I'll even pay for the shipping.

[johnnyv]

Had my 2012 Golf Revo chipped a couple weeks ago, no complaints. It has better response. My buddy tried to get his newer golf chipped but the revo program got stuck in reboot mode so he had to get it flashed back to OEM specs. Revo is working on it as far as i know. My golf is a manual, his is auto.

[amd is the best]

Anxiously awaiting the APR release for comparison sake.

[nickhinds]

Just had my 2011 jetta chipped by Unitronic and just love it. I would say about 25% more than before. I had ut done on my 2005 passat tdi and loved it also. Never had any issues.
My 2 cents

[country_agent]

I see little about "Kerma." Anyone have any experience with their flash?

[MayorDJQ]

Originally Posted by country_agent

I see little about "Kerma." Anyone have any experience with their flash?

After looking at Kerma's website, I don't see any tuning available for the CRs. He has a plug in box listed for '09 gassers.