NHTSA Update on CR HPFP failure investigation

[pknopp]

Originally Posted by GTIDan

Wrong again............Let me help you out. I don't care what your position is........got it?????

Then don't tell me what it should be.

The subject has been beat to death. If the frickin HPFP takes a dump in my car I'll check with VW and get it fixed. It's not the end of the world here at least for me

So try this and see if it helps: Open up a beer take a swig and try to understand what I said.

I'm fine with what you said. It has been my position all along.

[TDIMeister]

Given the lack of facts and any statement from VWoA, with some notable exception much of what has been posted in over 3100 posts are conjecture, speculation and unsubstantiated personal opinion. You are entitled to your opinions, but we have rules about decorum, etiquette and maintaining civil, respectful discussion.

I realize that people are very passionate and concerned about this subject because it involves a lot of uncertainty and potentially a lot of money that may or may not be covered by VW down the road. But this does not excuse the absolutely adolescent behavior by some people here. The line is drawn on the sand: if you can't resist picking arguments and agreeing to disagree in a mature manner from here on out, you will be banned. For a long time. I will determine the length on a per-case basis, but it could be as long as 6 months to a year. This will ride us through hopefully to a time when we have some hard facts and answers, whether from VW or NHTSA. Be hereby forewarned. There will be no other warning before a ban is handed down and no amount of whining (yes, it has happened) will alter the decision to ban or the duration thereof.

[TDIMeister]

As a postscript to the above, since it has also happened in the past, be forewarned: trying to get around a ban by registering alias accounts is ABSOLUTELY NOT TOLERATED. If you have been banned for a temporary period and come back under an alias, ALL YOUR ACCOUNTS WILL BE BANNED PERMANENTLY. A few people who tried this, who know they are and some of whom are posting in this thread, are very, very lucky to still have posting privileges.

[Derrel H Green]

Originally Posted by JSWTDI09

Don't forget that you also sold it for wholesale value. You sold it to someone (CarMax) who sold it again for a profit.
MB makes good cars, but older cars will always have some problems. My brother used to own an older MB diesel
(he now owns a JSW). He loved the engine and he never put a penny into engine repairs.
However the rest of the car nickled and dimed him to death (actually with an MB it dollared him to death).
He got sick of replacing window regulators, windshield wiper motors,
seat controls, and almost everything else besides the engine.
If you think VW parts are expensive, look at Mercedes parts. [You are absolutely correct!]
I'm not certain it is the clear cut choice you make it out to be.

Have Fun!

Don

Indeed. Time will most certainly tell.

Yes. Sold the JSW TDI to CarMax as I was in a hurry. No time for a private sale.
I did not want the CDI to get away and I needed the money from the VW to purchase the Benz.

What year was your brothers? It must have been an eighty something?



Derrel

[GTIDan]

Originally Posted by pknopp

My position is exactly the same as his. He took one post out of context and told me to give it a rest as it was a minor problem. I never argued otherwise.

It happens all the time where people jump in during the middle or the end of a conversation without bothering to read everything that has been wrote.

"Can we all just get along?" Quote: Rodney King

[MonsterTDI09]

This is the reason why TDI club should have a RD center.VW will do something about this HPFP problem is my guess.When lawyers get involve it just takes time.

[madmako]

Originally Posted by pcnorton

roflmao.....you kill me. Read my thread on my jsw's second flatbed ride. I must have bought the lightning rod package. You vw apologist's kill me. Is the sand that warm around your head?

I want to keep my car, but there are no answers on how to make it safe to drive. I guess i could run a analysis on every fuel station before i buy fuel. I guess that would be the next step up from my "buy every gallon form a major station with high turnover"

i could inspect my filter every day and flush the system and r+r the hpfp for inspection weekly.


Or i could wait for the second fuel system to be installed and trade in this nightmare.


Paul

This post has been deleted as demanded by the moderator. Evidently, adding additional humor to the interminable hand wringing on this topic has been viewed as "trolling". Banishment won't be necessary. I'm leaving.

[DasTeknoViking]

was at one of the larger Chicago dealers today to get my wifes GTi a set of new piston rings as it burns a bit more oil than it should... the tech is my cousin. I asked him how many HPFP failures this dealership has seen and he had to think hard about it, said 2 and both where because they where filled with gas.

Seriously this problem is blown out of proportion way too much. If you really need a wagon, there is only once choice out there; B4V. Reliable as a brick outhouse. Drive more worry less.

[The_Mike]

Originally Posted by DasTeknoViking

was at one of the larger Chicago dealers today to get my wifes GTi a set of new piston rings as it burns a bit more oil than it should... the tech is my cousin. I asked him how many HPFP failures this dealership has seen and he had to think hard about it, said 2 and both where because they where filled with gas.

Seriously this problem is blown out of proportion way too much. If you really need a wagon, there is only once choice out there; B4V. Reliable as a brick outhouse. Drive more worry less.

Until yours is the one that blows up. I logged my NHTSA complaint yesterday.

[tdipoet]

and that right there is the problem. if it's such a low rate of failures, vw should take care of their drivers. which they seem to be quietly doing, but for how long?

[The_Mike]

Originally Posted by tdipoet

and that right there is the problem. if it's such a low rate of failures, vw should take care of their drivers. which they seem to be quietly doing, but for how long?

Exactly. When BMW got hit with a very similar problem, they eventually guaranteed a 10-year/120,000 mile warranty on the pump, and recalled certain years. VW has a history of sweeping things under the rug until warranty periods are done.

I would be satisfied if VW instituted a similar warranty. If it's such a small percentage, it won't cost them much. If it it's more widespread, then the negative press they eventually get will damage their credibility, so they really need to come up with a fix.

In at least the US market, the N54 engine has been characterized by a very large number of High Pressure Fuel Pump (HPFP) failures, leading to many BMW NA vehicle Lemon Law "buy backs" and reduced customer goodwill. On some engines the HPFP was replaced four times within the first few years of service.[citation needed] BMW has instituted a 10-year, 120,000-mile (190,000 km) warranty on the part, but only for 2007, 2008 and 2009 model year vehicles with the N54 engine. Other model years, to include 2009 models, continue to report HPFP failures.[15] As of late 2009, the low pressure fuel sensor has become suspected of causing some premature failures of the HPFP by engine tuners such as AMS and CP-E. BMW tried to engineer a newer HPFP solution to eliminate HPFP issues users were having. The first 335/135s came out with 1351 7 537 320 HPFP followed shortly by 1351 7 585 655 HPFP and 2009 model had 1351 7 592 881 HPFP followed by 1351 7 596 123 HPFP. These pumps were updated and replaced again due to the high rate of failure with 1351 7 594 943 HPFP. But these also started to fail and got updated and replaced in May 2010 with a brand-new re-manufactured pump 1351 7 613 933 HPFP.[22] On the 26th of October, 2010, immediately following an ABC News story about HPFP failures,[23] BMW announced a recall of vehicles with the pump in question from manufacturing years 2007-2010.[24] In 12/2010 this part was replaced by #13517616170 which seems to have resolved this long-standing issue. A class action suit has been filed against BMW regarding these problems. [16]

[Niner]

Originally Posted by The_Mike

Exactly. When BMW got hit with a very similar problem, they eventually guaranteed a 10-year/120,000 mile warranty on the pump, and recalled certain years. VW has a history of sweeping things under the rug until warranty periods are done.

I would be satisfied if VW instituted a similar warranty. If it's such a small percentage, it won't cost them much. If it it's more widespread, then the negative press they eventually get will damage their credibility, so they really need to come up with a fix.

It's not about redesigning the warranty, it's about redesigning the pump, so it almost never does $8000 in collateral damage. 120k miles isn't enough, not for a diesel. Not when it does that much damage once out of warranty, or once Vw decides they are not going to cover it. Just the pump, if it wears out, should need replacing, not the whole fuel system, that is the design flaw.

[kjclow]

With the potential of a $8000 repair, I would not be content with anything less than a 250K mile warranty on the current setup.

[MPBsr]

Originally Posted by kjclow

With the potential of a $8000 repair, I would not be content with anything less than a 250K mile warranty on the current setup.

If I kept my TDI, I would only consider a "lifetime" warranty.

No single failure should be cause for that kind of cost to repair.

[Second Turbo]

MPBsr: > If I kept my TDI, I would only consider a "lifetime" warranty.

You need to wish with greater specificity.
Based on the current timing belt,
VW thinks "lifetime" is a mere 150,000 miles.

> No single failure should be cause for that kind of cost to repair.

Make that: no single unpreventable failure ...

A timing belt failure could result in a repair bill in the same range. We don't worry about TB failure. The difference is that TB failure can effectively be prevented by keeping covers in good order, periodic inspection and scheduled replacement.

There seems to be nothing an owner can do to avoid an HPFP failure, other than not be an owner.