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Upgrades (non TDI Engine related) The place of handling, lighting and other upgrades that do not relate to the performance or economy of the TDI engine. In other words upgrades to your TDI that don't fit into TDI Fuel Economy & TDI Engine Enhancements.Please note the Performance Disclaimer

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Old January 4th, 2012, 21:41   #106
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My new suspension is doing great. No noise (even on speed bumps).
First thing I noticed was the MPG went way down! then I noticed riding in the rain, if the RF wheel hydroplaned, the car would shoot to the R, If LS hydroplaned the car would shoot to the left. Lets think about this. I raised the car 2", which should not change camper, but it will change toe. Must be toed in way to far. Throw my home made alignment equipment on the car and found 1/2" toe in . fixed that and mounted the new Kumho's. Man it's a different car now.

But the tie adjustments were frozen. When I turned the big nut it broke the rubber boot on the tie rod. No play in the joints but now that boot is broken I got to replace them (at $11.00 each I should have done it right the first time). well it will wait until March or April before State Inspection is due.

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I just completed basically the same upgrades as you with about the same results. Only difference I also installed an evolution 1" lift. I had the car aligned and they found it toed in. Car handled better after the alignment but still not the way it use to. Took it back and had the alignment checked as mine had settled about 3/4" and it was now toed out slightly. They rectified this and now it still doesn't handle the way it used to. I am very happy with the extra height but not sure where to go from here with trying to get the handling back. Anyone with suggestions, they would be appriciated.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 03:52   #107
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If you raise the car significantly you're going to have more positive camber when you're going straight. It'll feel less responsive on turn-in, and feel like it has less grip in mild to moderate cornering. As the car rolls and the suspension compresses you'll get more negative camber which improves grip and feel. Do you have the alignment report? What was the camber setting?

Unfortunately you can't increase camber beyond using any available play in the ball joint bolts. You could try camber plates to increase negative camber. But odds are the car doesn't have any less ultimate grip, it just doesn't feel as good.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 07:35   #108
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I know that doing a inner axle rear sway bar at the same time made my golf oversteerable. Used to feel dead and floaty. Now I can get the back to cut! First highway lane change I did !as extreme and over responsive in comparison to before. Such a difference. I had bought from vortex a Shine RSB. U can find them all over. I highly reccommend a rear sway bar7
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Old January 29th, 2012, 12:36   #109
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I had both of our TDIs standing next to each other and noticed that the Skoda was sitting higher even though the strut mounts are completely shot, so I looked up the ground clearence stated in the owners manuals and got a surprice!
The manual states the ground clearence with the car fully laden, ie driver + 4 passangers and luggage.
Golf = 102mm
Octavia = 137mm
35mm difference, which is IMO just what the Golf needs, 2" lift is too tall and 1" is just on the low side

This is quite interesting since the Octavia is based on a A4 Golf, struts, control arms etc should be identical. Maybe they just have different springs?
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Old January 30th, 2012, 13:38   #110
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^^id be curious to find out^^
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Old March 14th, 2012, 19:09   #111
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I installed the Moog springs and Koni FSD's with all new hardware in my 03 Jetta to replace the OEM items with 170k miles.

I also changed from 205/70/15's on steel wheels to 215/50/17's on aluminum wheels which are ~3/8" shorter in overall diameter and feel a couple pounds heavier (using my calibrated arm )

Measurements from the ground to the top of the fender arches - the car has ~700 miles on it since the suspension install.
Before:
26-3/4" Front
27-1/4" Rear

After:
27-1/2" Front - ~3/4" Lift
28-1/4" Rear - ~1" Lift

It rides and drives both much tighter/firmer while being smoother at the same time. I'm very happy with it.

It has a slight nose down stance to it and the wheels are more/less centered in the wheel arches (which is a look that I really like). I have not taken a picture of the car itself yet - need to do that one of these days.

It should not sag near as much with heavier loads and trailer pulling though I have not tested it out yet.

Unless these springs break or go flat quickly, they seem like a really good value for those of us who don't want to lower their cars, but want a bit more suspension "beef"


Here's the front spring (Moog 81134)


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Stock Front Spring Wire Diameter - 2P1G





The rear springs - Moog 81055



And it's wire diameter



Stock rear spring wire diameter- 1P3G
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Old March 15th, 2012, 15:36   #112
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Thanks for the pics and the spring diameters Fix Until Broke. I was hoping someone would measure those!

I have put about 20k on the blausport/MOOG setup now and have no complaints.
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Old March 15th, 2012, 21:14   #113
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Here's some pics of the car





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Old March 17th, 2012, 10:54   #114
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Great thread!! Question re: the MOOG springs. Looking on Rock Auto I don't see any difference in part numbers for engines or styles across the A4 platform. Am I looking in the wrong place? Trying to find a cheaper way to get the "level" reverse rake look of Shine springs as mine are rusting out .
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Old March 17th, 2012, 11:14   #115
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They were all the same if I remember right - I had the same confusion when I ordered from their site.
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Old March 18th, 2012, 20:37   #116
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how is it that Fix until broke is sitting so level? by the way it looks great, i realy envy your stance. i need more clearance on the front end please.

Would an easy/simple solution be to add a 10mm spacer in the front? any other recommendations?
it is my DD as well as weekend autocross/ rally cross vehicle. i kind of like the lower front for autocross, however i dont like it nearly as much durring Rallycross.
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No spacers in mine - just FSD's, Moog Springs and new mounts.
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Hmm, only difference I see in material used is im runnin Blauparts vr6 refresh, not fsd's. I will use your measurements against my car at lunch today(few thousad miles on since I measured originally). I will reflect back and quote my original hieght measurements too.

Fix untill broke, just wondering what your cabin load/trunk load /fuel load in the picture and durring measurement time. Approx, no science behind, just curious of your cars "extra" weight, hehe
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The car weighs ~3400 lb with a full load of fuel, me (180 lb), and all the usual junk I carry around in the car. It has a steel skidplate, steel hitch on the back, 4" exhaust with 2) 4" mufflers, steel 3" TIP, 35lb clutch, DRW 6 speed, etc so all the little things add up. I didn't have anything "extra" in the car
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hahaha, more tear down in wieght than i knew to count in for weight. thank you, i was hoping you were bone dry empty. since your vehicle is sitting so level (close to), thank you for explaining your weight.

only wheight adders i have is usual cabin things, papers, ipod.etc, then the 300 lbs of stereo in my trunk. alpine R 15", enclosure, 4 extra 6x9s, two amps. me and fuel i gather as a giveaway.
searching for the tape measure still...
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