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TDI Power Enhancements Discussions about increasing the power of your TDI engine. i.e. chips, injectors, powerboxes, clutches, etc. Handling, suspensions, wheels, type discussion should be put into the "Upgrades (non TDI Engine related)" forum. Non TDI vehicle related postings will be moved or removed. Please note the Performance Disclaimer.

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Old January 30th, 2012, 10:00   #1
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Default Kerma/malone stage 2 tune, which would better fit a daily driver?

Wondering which tune is smoother? As in, I want the full power the tune can offer, but I want the car to be smooth and not jerk when I tap the go pedal. Just wondering what others thoughts are about their stage 2 tunes from them. I know they make about the same power, so if they are both good as far as "smoothness" I'll probably go with the tuner that is closer...thanks in advance guys.
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Old January 30th, 2012, 10:37   #2
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Malone probably has one of the best pedal mappings. Its extremely smooth, zero jerk.
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Old January 30th, 2012, 11:37   #3
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Good to know, thanks. That's kind of what I've been gathering from reading reviews, but it's good to hear someone say it. I think I'll be going Malone.
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Old January 30th, 2012, 12:17   #4
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Charlies (Kerma) tunes are real smooth, and that exactly why i switched to him.

Plus they are powerful with little to no smoke, he likes clean tunes

Plus I can get what i want and he will just tune the darn car, he doesn't tell me what he recommends for a easy job for him.

nothing against any others tuners, but I'm the darn customer here.

Kerma made an amazing smoke free tune for Race nozzles and a stock turbo for my car
its the fastest stock turbo'ed car i ever drove. FACT with no smoke. yes the Race nozzles are calibrated and that helps but wow 17 psi and RACE nozzles no smoke smooth big torque. I'm impressed
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Old January 30th, 2012, 12:30   #5
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I always thought most of the tuners out there aimed for no smoke and tried to give you want for your car?? In all the reviews I haven't seen anything saying otherwise...And no smoke is important to me too, smoke looks terrible in excess IMO and is childish. Although every once in a while there is nothing wrong with being a kid again .
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Just let the tuner know what you're after.
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Most tuners, are against big nozzles, saying its unsafe, lots of smoke, impossible, whatever ( for a somewhat stock car)

most fuel fed during the injection window, not before or after. got me power that i never thought possible with a VNT15

so there is difference... just sharing my story, nothing else
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Dave - I honestly don't think I've seen any tuners really say that. I've seen other members stating such a thing.

With such large nozzles, I can't imagine that the tune will be ok the first shot. Most people don't want to invest in the loader or chip burner to iterate the tune and adjust actuators and other stuff as they are needed. The tune needs to be set up for the nozzles, not the other way around. Tune then huge nozzles doesn't work - I think that is what most peoples problem is.

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Most tuners, are against big nozzles, saying its unsafe, lots of smoke, impossible, whatever ( for a somewhat stock car)

most fuel fed during the injection window, not before or after. got me power that i never thought possible with a VNT15

so there is difference... just sharing my story, nothing else
Got a dyno? I'd love to see the sheet.
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Got a dyno? I'd love to see the sheet.
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Dave - I honestly don't think I've seen any tuners really say that. I've seen other members stating such a thing.

With such large nozzles, I can't imagine that the tune will be ok the first shot. Most people don't want to invest in the loader or chip burner to iterate the tune and adjust actuators and other stuff as they are needed. The tune needs to be set up for the nozzles, not the other way around. Tune then huge nozzles doesn't work - I think that is what most peoples problem is.

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Your right

actually, there was discussion, then a tune,
I installed the injectors, then loaded the tune. car runs great
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Got a dyno? I'd love to see the sheet.
that's a good idea, but whats the sense, if the numbers where high, there would be talk that the dyno is bogus. no matter what there would be doubt. so why waste the cash.

you should just drive the car and tell me what you think!
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Dave, do you have a egt gauge? Just curious, also, how does a colt cam compare to a stock alh cam's characteristics?
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that's a good idea, but whats the sense, if the numbers where high, there would be talk that the dyno is bogus. no matter what there would be doubt. so why waste the cash.

you should just drive the car and tell me what you think!
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