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VW MKIV-A4 TDIs (VE and PD) This is a general discussion about A4/MkIV Jetta (99.5-~2005), Golf(99.5-2006), and New Beetle(98-2006). Both VE and PD engines are covered here.

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Old May 24th, 2010, 08:48   #1
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My first post here. Just bought a 2003 Golf GL TDI with 103,800 miles on the odometer. The car is an ugly duckling – cloudy headlights, dented hood, dirty interior – but it’s a Southern car with no rust and that’s a big plus here in Massachusetts.

Spent Sunday getting to know the car a bit – poking around, cleaning up under the hood. Cleaned the snow screen, which was 40% blocked – picture below.

Also took a look at the timing belt. The car came with a receipt ($951.45, including $342.50 for a “timing belt kit”) showing that the timing belt and water pump were replaced less than 7,000 miles ago.

Does this look like a 7,000 mile timing belt to you?









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Old May 24th, 2010, 08:50   #2
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It looks like you're about to re-do the entire timing belt job + water pump and related components! Welcome aboard
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Old May 24th, 2010, 08:58   #3
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FYI, below is a kit that contains all the parts you should be replacing when you do the TB:

http://www.dieselgeek.com/servlet/Detail?no=349
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Old May 24th, 2010, 09:11   #4
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If there is any doubt, you should assume it needs the change. Repairing the possible damage, is far more than replacing the belt. I would do a full TB job, including water pump and tensioner.

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Old May 24th, 2010, 09:49   #5
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I would check that receipt and maybe call the installer. My wife's 99 NB belt with over 130k on it looked better than that when it was removed. Was the vehicle a private sale or did you get it from a dealer?
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Old May 24th, 2010, 10:06   #6
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I would check that receipt and maybe call the installer.
Well, I'm curious, if I did call the installer as you suggest, what would be the purpose of that call?
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what would be the purpose of that call?
To determine why the owner was billed $900 and the work not completed
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Old May 24th, 2010, 10:24   #8
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I spy with my little eye...a mark and pray TB job. See the paint mark on the cam pulley? That means the job was done without the correct tools. I would also bet that not all the parts were replaced, not to mention the fact that they probably reused the stretch bolts.

Re-do. Go see Chris Hill at Kraftwerke in Braintree...he will fix it up right.
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Old May 24th, 2010, 10:48   #9
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I spy with my little eye...a mark and pray TB job. See the paint mark on the cam pulley?
Oh, yeah! I missed that. And thanks for the Chris Hill suggestion!

I'm a long time shade tree mechanic, so will be doing it myself with the Dieselgeek kit and Metalnerd tools. The question is, should I do it NOW, or can I drive it for a while?

I don't do timing belts very often, the last one was a Toyota Sequoia last year, so I wasn't sure if this is the original TB ($900 sun job) or a poor quality aftermarket TB. The cam pulley paint mark points to the TB being replaced, but shouldn't a 7,000 mile TB be crisp, just like it came out of the bag? Just what do those fuzzy edges mean?

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The timing belts are cut from a huge drum or tube of material and will often have tiny frayed fibers on their edges due to the toughness of the fibers. They don't cut as cleanly like the old lower mile belts. The belt pictured in the first post doesn't look old or damaged to me and I've handled quite a few belts. Sometimes digital pictures can be misleading though.

Knowing absolutely the procedure that was followed is more an accurate gauge of whether or not to change the belt. If you can verify that the parts were changed you can go back in there and set the cam, crank and pump to top dead center and reset the cam timing as per the "book". A complete, quality set of timing parts that are verified to have only 7000 miles on them would be a waste to throw away.
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The timing belts are cut from a huge drum or tube of material and will often have tiny frayed fibers on their edges due to the toughness of the fibers. They don't cut as cleanly like the old lower mile belts.
Thanks, Jim, that's very helpful and I've learned something. The last Toyota TB that I installed had sharp, clean edges, so when I saw the fuzz on this belt I may have jumped to the wrong conclusion. I'll probably hedge my bets and do the TB anyway, but maybe not right away.

This is one awesome community. I found TDIClub when I was considering buying this car and the wealth of knowledge here was an important factor in making the decision to buy. I feel like I know this car pretty well just from reading the many posts and how-tos here.

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Old May 24th, 2010, 11:30   #12
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If you haven't already, change the fuel, oil and air at he same time, that way you have a baseline for you maintenance, and can keep it to a schedule of 4 oil changes for every 2 fuel filters and 1 air.

I have a clean ALH manifold available for trade when you decide to clean yours.

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That intake will look much nastier when you remove the egr.
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Old May 24th, 2010, 11:54   #14
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I have a clean ALH manifold available for trade when you decide to clean yours.
How does that work? You simply clean them up and resend them out to the next guy? PM info.
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How does that work? You simply clean them up and resend them out to the next guy? PM info.
Pretty much. PM sent.
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