Whats the pro's to Biodiesel? - Page 7

CsTDI · November 19th, 2009, 15:07

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Originally Posted by CsTDI

Great. no problems with fuel lines in an 2001. While I haven't gone up to BD100, I have not had issues with that platform engine and BD.

Do you use BD in your Tourag?
And what number BD you use in?
I just got a 06 Tourag, trying to use it, and I have a 06 Jetta TDI, I'm using D100 for more than 6 month now no problem!!

Thank you !

Wayne, with the DPF in the V10 I use B15. Higher concentrations of BD don't seem to digest as well...

nicewayne01 · November 20th, 2009, 02:07

hi chuck,
what is DPF?

wayne

F2 Ed · November 20th, 2009, 02:10

Diesel Particulate Filter

Lives in your exhaust system

kcfoxie · November 20th, 2009, 05:14

I wasn't aware that the 2004-2006 V10 TDIs had DPFs in them.

adamant628 · November 20th, 2009, 05:23

Apparently they do: (from wikipedia)
The V10 TDI returned to the U.S. market as 2006 model year vehicle in 5 states. Later US models went on sale in 2006, which was compliant with 50 states emission with Ultra-low sulfur diesel and particulate filter. The 2006 US model's MSRP was $67,750.[4] Stricter CARB emissions standards resulted in the V10 TDI being cancelled again in the United States.[5] This has since been replaced by a V6 TDI engine that meets the California Air Resources Board's (CARB's) minimum emission requirements for the 2009 model year.

kcfoxie · November 20th, 2009, 05:28

That sounds to me like mid-year (ie late 2006) model vehicles, ones that would technically count as being 2007 models, have the DPF. I'd like to think that's a smaller percentage of all the V10's out there.

CsTDI · November 24th, 2009, 10:26

2004V10: no DPF
2005: no V10 model
2006V10: with DPF;arrived in June06 and held at ports awaiting delayed broad availability of ULSD-released as 2007V10s were arriving to ports
2007V10: DPF with urea solution

atc98002 · November 24th, 2009, 10:39

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Originally Posted by CsTDI

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2007V10: DPF with urea solution

Cs, are you sure about that? I didn't think there was a urea passenger vehicle in the US before Mercedes brought the BlueTec SUVs over. For VW, I thought the 2010 V6 TDI was the first urea engine for them. Or was it just European versions with urea?

CsTDI · November 24th, 2009, 10:43

I am not sure about the 2007 although I recall reading something about 2007 VWBlue Touareg V10 which I thought is the adblue solution. Hopefully someone with an 07V10 or more knowledge can respond definitively

Edit: urea solution came later. In 2007V10s VW injected fuel straight into the exhaust to assist with DPF burnoff

TomB · November 27th, 2009, 14:53

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Originally Posted by feverwilly

That statement is not really true. Last time I made BioDiesel it was made with Methanol which is made from petroleum. Also they are plenty of people being killed for food stock whose prices are now being driven through the roof to supply alternative fuels (Ethanol, Soybean Oil) .. When you are going to make a statement like that get all the facts..

Fever please take your anti-BD rants elsewhere.

Soybean oil used for BD production does NOT consume the food portion of the Soybean. The leftover meal after oil extraction is still there, hence no consumption of crops.

Why don't you get YOUR facts correct, instead of furthering these outright lies? Those opposed to corn based ethanol, which DOES consume the food product incorrectly group BD in the same group.

Ehtanol can be made from waste sources but that would not benefit the corn farmers lobbyists.

TomB · November 27th, 2009, 14:56

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Originally Posted by feverwilly

There is no BENEFIT.

There is also much discussion about maintenance costs of your vehicle (lessened engine life and more frequent oil changes).

What are you talking about? Supposition of what you have heard or actual reality based facts?

I have no extra maintanence. No extra fuel filter changes, no extra oil changes. I get 10K miles on my oil and only replace fuel filters at the normal interval.

Used Oil Analysis proves my oil is not impacted in anyway by BD usage, so I don't have these issues you claim against BD.

TomB · November 27th, 2009, 15:02

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Originally Posted by Tristan

You can't get more energy out of something than you put into it. If this were possible, an energy crisis wouldn't exist in our vocabulary.

Yes you can. The original oil created by the sun, water and other natural processes is where all the energy comes from.

The amount of energy used to convert it into a usable form is minimal, and that is the 3x ratio talked about.

The same is true for Petroleum products. The energy needed to process the crude is less than the sum energy obtained from the finished products. Again the original source of the energy was from the dinosaurs. Ooops, sorry God for those Inteligent design people.

TomB · November 27th, 2009, 15:06

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Originally Posted by feverwilly

In winter if you live in a cold climate you will have to thin it out with Kero plus by all estimates your engine will need to be rebuilt at 250k instead of 350k but I will leave that out..

Last time I checked Kerosene will kill your injectors. Talk about lack of lubricity!

I certainly hope diesel producers are not using Kerosene as their anti gel formula.

TomB · November 27th, 2009, 15:11

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Originally Posted by feverwilly

My car also runs on WVO but I know the cost and maintenance and work involved in BioDiesel and WVO.

You also don't mention storage of Bio-diesel which is illegal in many places...

First sentence say it all. Anti BD because he is a SVO guy.

Second sentence is absolutely wrong. Just like heating oil, I am allowed to store up to 600 gallons on my property without any special permits or illegality.

Only California has the special requirements that prevent BD from being in underground tanks while allowing gasoline underground storage. Go figure the non sense in that one.

brucebanes · November 27th, 2009, 16:35

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Originally Posted by TomB

First sentence say it all. Anti BD because he is a SVO guy.

Second sentence is absolutely wrong. Just like heating oil, I am allowed to store up to 600 gallons on my property without any special permits or illegality.

Only California has the special requirements that prevent BD from being in underground tanks while allowing gasoline underground storage. Go figure the non sense in that one.

In my state and a few others you have to file with the Comptroller, if you use Homebrew, a form to pay road tax. I have a friend who bragged to the Baltimore Sun about making cheap fuel and the Comptrollers office paid him a visit.