Just finished my Compressed Natural Gas 1.8 turbo 60 cents a GAL.

[kcfoxie]

So then the diesel kit would include a biodiesel reactor + the cng hardware + a cng tank + a cng fueling device....

I think you could make that work and sellable to some folks.

also you can get diesel that is refined and drilled only in the US. You can also get gas to liquid fuel in some stations (I think texas) that comes from all US resources.

You really should move to "totally renewable fuel sources" and away from "imported" as we're going to end up importing much of our renewable fuels, too, as we're now a global economy.

[BadMonKey]

Originally Posted by kcfoxie

So then the diesel kit would include a biodiesel reactor + the cng hardware + a cng tank + a cng fueling device....

I think you could make that work and sellable to some folks.

also you can get diesel that is refined and drilled only in the US. You can also get gas to liquid fuel in some stations (I think texas) that comes from all US resources.

You really should move to "totally renewable fuel sources" and away from "imported" as we're going to end up importing much of our renewable fuels, too, as we're now a global economy.

There is no such thing as a "totally renewable fuel source"? Biodiesel requires petro to exist. If it comes from algae, plant material, or recycled products petro made it possible. Farming, transportation, fabrication, heating, filtering, and distribution are all fossil fuel driven.

[UFO]

Originally Posted by BadMonKey

There is no such thing as a "totally renewable fuel source"? Biodiesel requires petro to exist. If it comes from algae, plant material, or recycled products petro made it possible. Farming, transportation, fabrication, heating, filtering, and distribution are all fossil fuel driven.

But not the end product, and a large part of the fueling, and that makes a huge difference.

But if you invest in a biodiesel processor, why on earth would one make another substantial investment to supplement it with CNG??? Still makes no sense to me. Stick with gassers -- it'd be a great conversion for my old Toyota pickup.

[kcfoxie]

Originally Posted by BadMonKey

There is no such thing as a "totally renewable fuel source"? Biodiesel requires petro to exist. If it comes from algae, plant material, or recycled products petro made it possible. Farming, transportation, fabrication, heating, filtering, and distribution are all fossil fuel driven.

You have little concept of closed loop systems. Start a closed loop system to make renewable and phase out anything that isn't renewable from the process...volia

[BadMonKey]

Originally Posted by BKmetz

The only reason my employer is installing wind farms is to get tax credits, political & social appeasement, and bragging rights they are going green.

I have about a hundred windmills within 30 miles of me now. I will have about 300 around me by the end of next year. They are ugly. Not as ugly as a coal plant but the coal plant concentrates all the ugly in one small area compared to a wind farm. At least coal plants provide a large cooling lake that the state DNR runs for hunting and fishing. Wind farms spread out the ugly all across the country side.

Wind mills are unreliable. Because one is at the mercy of mother nature, run time is less than 50%. Just because you see one spinning does not mean its running at 100% peak efficiency, hardly. Torque to turn the blade depends on wind speed, variable wind speed means variable and unreliable torque. There is no constant output, a gust means peak power for a minute, then it drops off to whatever. The marketing dept hates wind power.

Voltage control; wind mills do nothing for grid voltage regulation. What is the starting point of the grid voltage that ends up as 120VAC at the outlet? The ugly coal plant or nuke plant generator. Grid managers hate wind farms because they do nothing for voltage management and are a liability, not an asset.

And coal is not going away, hardly. The smaller older units will be retired. The newer larger units will get SCR scrubbers and all the high-tech pollution controls.

Wind power is unreliable because of the corrupt grid system politics. If the US grid system was better connected wind power would be a lot more efficient especially for brown time. If our grid system was truly connected wind power out west could serve to balance peak needs to the east. However the regional power authorities don't want their lines connected as it removes their power to control their rates and manipulate the markets. Grid managers hate wind power because they are operating a micro grid community. This is the reason they use diesel generators or natural gas power plants for peak power needs as they can be turned on or off rather quickly and they are cheap to build and a lot more expensive to run when compared to coal (major reason peak power is more expensive). If you look at Countries that have government run power authorities (Japan for example) they need a lot less infrastructure then us as the system is designed to work together instead of little micro communities (they also have 90% less power outages then us). Hell we have power lines in Colorado running all the way to Southern States unconnected just to server that power authority when the same line could serve Texas during its peak as the Southern States peak needs drop. Its a completely inefficient unbalanced system designed to pump money into a select few's pockets.

[BadMonKey]

Originally Posted by kcfoxie

You have little concept of closed loop systems. Start a closed loop system to make renewable and phase out anything that isn't renewable from the process...volia

Really! How much energy is required to make and distribute Biodiesel to market on a closed loop? By the time it got to market you would have no product left to sell. Home brewers are about the only positive gain market and a very small one. If you take soy bean agriculture (ignoring the equipment being fabricated by petro fuel) and fuel all the equipment with biodiesel (tractors, water pump generators, seed distribution, product processing, distribution, ect...) you dont have any product left to sell at a resonable price. Its a negative gain system!

[UFO]

Originally Posted by BadMonKey

Really! How much energy is required to make and distribute Biodiesel to market on a closed loop? By the time it got to market you would have no product left to sell. Home brewers are about the only positive gain market and a very small one. If you take soy bean agriculture (ignoring the equipment being fabricated by petro fuel) and fuel all the equipment with biodiesel (tractors, water pump generators, seed distribution, product processing, distribution, ect...) you dont have any product left to sell at a resonable price. Its a negative gain system!

Wrong. The energy return on SOY biodiesel is 3X, mustard/rape is even more.

[BadMonKey]

Originally Posted by UFO

Wrong. The energy return on SOY biodiesel is 3X, mustard/rape is even more.

I'd love to see the white paper on that! Considering agriculture varies from location to location i don't see how a blanket statement like 3X could be legit. The current bushel price for soy bean is pretty low so if you believe that 3X number it sounds like you have pretty profitable business plan with B100 bringing $5+ per gallon in this area. The guy i know at Blue Sun doesn't see a very good profit margin.

[CNGVW]

Thank you for showing what you have done great job. I had planed a drive from the top of Maine to Key west in the Beetle on CNG as far as it would get me. Setting up filling spots were there is no CNG Pumps to use.

But the Turbo just gets better MPG and hold more CNG and a better ride.
Bob Mann

[UFO]

Originally Posted by BadMonKey

I'd love to see the white paper on that! Considering agriculture varies from location to location i don't see how a blanket statement like 3X could be legit. The current bushel price for soy bean is pretty low so if you believe that 3X number it sounds like you have pretty profitable business plan with B100 bringing $5+ per gallon in this area. The guy i know at Blue Sun doesn't see a very good profit margin.

You are confusing energy return with profit margin?

[UFO]

http://entropyproduction.blogspot.co...el-review.html

Table 1: Energy Allocation to Biodiesel Production Stages
Activity
Energy
(MJ/kg biodiesel)
Source
Agriculture
3.158
Table 62, p. 116
Transport
0.162
Table 63, p. 118
Separation
3.471
Table 83, p. 137
Conversion
5.572
Table 105, p. 166
Distribution
0.162
Table 106, p. 169
Total
12.526


Higher Heating Value
40.6
Table 108, p. 173
Lower Heating Value
37.0
Table 108, p. 173
ERR (HHV)
3.24

[BadMonKey]

Slow Reply:

But i don't believe that article supported your argument?

"From my point of view, I want to know if biodiesel is energy positive, regardless of coproducts. For soy, the answer appears to be no. Going back and removing the coproduct credits appears to give the following results:"

[CNGVW]

Hello it looks like some one has done the VW Jetta Diesel I got this email today I was looking for some CNG tanks.

I took a look at your site. Very Nice! We have done a few Jetta dielsels in the past. Plumbing all of the fuel injectors before the throttle body sure saves on taping and drilling an intake manifold! I have a type I 14x36" cylinder that may work for you. I will soon have some 16x36's as well. It looks as though you were using type I cylinders in some of your pics. Just lets us know how we can help.

Thanks Bob!
I have asked for more infomation and some pic will post what I get.
I have posted pic of the new CNG Fogger at my site.


CNG Fogger installed

[BKmetz]

Originally Posted by CNGVW

Plumbing all of the fuel injectors before the throttle body sure saves on taping and drilling an intake manifold!

'throttle body' on a TDI????? I hope he was referring to a gas engine.



Wow....

The shameless cluelessness of these people is overwhelming.

[DPM]

which VW diesel has the throttle body and intake manifold on the front of the engine, again?