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Old September 8th, 2007, 16:50   #16
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Now where VOA will [once again] drop the ball is that they will offer it only in the Jetta. No Rabbit (Golf), no Passat, no Eos, etc. I hope I am wrong, but I have seen this sort of thing happen before...we all have.
You are not wrong, and this was explained during the presentation. My understanding of the reasons for the limited model range is that the larger and heavier vehicles produce more emissions. The exhaust system used on the Jetta is incapable of keeping up with the rate of emission production. The Touareg (and upcoming Audi Q7 TDI) must use the urea injection system to comply with it's pertinent emissions group. The Jetta can use the NOx and soot trap systems without the urea.
The Passat.... Unfortunately the heft of this car is above the threshold of the system used in the upcoming Jetta. The Passat would have to use a urea injection system to comply. The passenger vehicle segment doesn't have the same loophole allowing urea that the SUV segment does. No Passat TDI.
Rabbit is a low priced entry, The extra cost of all these scrubbers and such will be unsellable even at cost. The Jetta, although ostensibly just a Rabbit with a trunk, is percieved as a higher value vehicle and can (barely) cover the extra cost increase since it is a smaller percentage of the more expensive Jetta.
The Eos? The catalyst and other systems would be a minute addition to the already too high price of this toy. I can't think why not make a TDI version.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 18:48   #17
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The Rabbit will be set up the same way as the Jetta. The EOS may not due to engine bay dimensions (may not be able to easily fit the 2.0 tdi) which is also the case for the NB.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 19:56   #18
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From Auto123.com : http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/...tid=89011&pg=1

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Pointe-Claire, Quebec - Last weekend, Montreal played host to the 2007 TDIFest, a special event gathering VW TDI fans from all across North America. People were excited to show off their own car and talk about only one thing: their passion for diesel-powered VWs. The program included various workshops and lectures on just about anything TDI-related.

Volkswagen Canada executives decided to take advantage of this event to present their new 2.0-liter TDI engine, which will hit the Canadian market in 2008. In order to help journalists get familiar with this powerplant, the automaker put a 2007 Jetta at our disposal. The 2.0L TDI was mated to a 6-speed automatic Direct Shift Gear (DSG) transmission.

What drives most people to buy diesel-powered cars is of course fuel economy. According to Mr. St-Pierre, the new 2.0L TDI should have similar ratings than the current 1.9L engine: 6.8 L/100 km in the city and 5.1 L/100 km on the highway with the automatic transmission.

You're probably wondering: where's the improvement if fuel economy is somewhat the same? Well, the new TDI generates 140 horsepower and 235 lb-ft or torque compared to 100 horsepower and 177 lb-ft for the 1.9L unit. Moreover, with the added displacement come four valves per cylinder (instead of only two), for a total of 16 valves. And let's not forget the new common rail injection system with Piezo injectors, a technology which allows, among other things, a more efficient diesel combustion and reduced toxic emissions. The power increase is also the result of these advanced injectors.



For those already drooling, the new TDI will arrive in dealerships next spring. It will be available with the Jetta sedans and wagons only, coupled with the aforementioned 6-speed DSG gearbox. While pricing has yet to be announced, expect it to be higher that the current 1.9L TDI, which requires a premium of $1,775.

Wrap-up
Let's make things clear once and for all: diesel no longer means irritating noise, awful smell and black sooty smoke. With this new engine, VW now has stronger arguments to convince consumers of the benefits of using diesel. However, fuel economy (the major selling card of diesel fuel) will remain slightly unchanged. It's a shame considering all the improvements made. Is neglecting fuel economy in favor of performance and quietness a wise decision? Time will tell...



Obviously, this new engine garnered a lot of attention; many welcomed the latest addition to VW's engine lineup by applauding and smiling each time they heard its subtle purr (that's right, I said "subtle"). I kept hearing comments like: "It's quieter than a bunch of gasoline engines!" or "With this mill, people will finally understand that diesel can be friendly after all!"

Indeed, the absence of noise is what struck me the most. At idle, the new TDI is almost as quiet as a traditional gasoline engine. A short road test made me realize that this 2.0L is just as discreet on the highway once you reach a cruising speed. In addition, you no longer smell the diesel exhaust, usually characterized by black smoke during accelerations. Thank you VW for completely revising the exhaust system!

In terms of emissions, Patrick St-Pierre, Public Relations Manager at Volkswagen Canada, says this TDI should meet federal CO2 standards at least until 2012. You should know that the German manufacturer had no other choice but to modify its TDI engine from the ground up because the current 1.9-liter unit no longer meets the new emission regulations that came into force on January 1st, 2007.


PS, they have a few extra pics here: http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/...py?artid=89011
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Old September 8th, 2007, 20:24   #19
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The 1.9 is still available in Europe, ann the 2.0 has been in production for some time (PD). A bit less hp (134) but more torque 247lbs in the US version for the Passat.

A nice job in holding the economy with better performance, though those of us with the Passat have had that for 2-3 years now in the automatic which was the only avail trany (with somewhat less MPG, but not a whole lot).

It will be interesting if it can exceed the mpg as before, a wash or a bit less with the new setup.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 22:12   #20
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Rabbit is a low priced entry, The extra cost of all these scrubbers and such will be unsellable even at cost. The Jetta, although ostensibly just a Rabbit with a trunk, is percieved as a higher value vehicle and can (barely) cover the extra cost increase since it is a smaller percentage of the more expensive Jetta.
If they are not going to sell Rabbit TDIs, then they might as well not sell Rabbits at all. Same with the Polo or whatever smaller VW we eventually get -- if it doesn't have a TDI engine, then sayonara VW and konichiwa Honda Civic 2.2 i-CTDI.
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Old September 9th, 2007, 00:38   #21
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funny, did anybody ask the millon doller question. CAN YOU RUN BIOFUEL IN THIS ENGINE!!!
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funny, did anybody ask the millon doller question. CAN YOU RUN BIOFUEL IN THIS ENGINE!!!
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Yes...... he said the B5 requirement remains!
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Where can I get a badge like this to put on my car?
Your local VW dealer can order it for you, or any VW parts place can supply it. It comes on the fender of the 'Diesel Editions'.

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So was anything said about a TDI version of the Tiguan? I know they will be getting it in Europe but how about in the US? I haven't heard anyone from VW confirm this one way or the other. The press releases so far are ambiguous at best.
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The question was asked......I think he said 2010
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funny, did anybody ask the millon doller question. CAN YOU RUN BIOFUEL IN THIS ENGINE!!!
I asked with a view toward the Minnesota B2 mandate.
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The question was asked......I think he said 2010
No TDI Tiguan until 2010? A lot of people were expecting it right at introduction. Looks to be a long wait.


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No TDI Tiguan until 2010? A lot of people were expecting it right at introduction. Looks to be a long wait.

Yep, as I said, VOA drops the ball once again
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