Switching to Rotella T6 5w40

Think I found a spec sheet:
TYPICAL PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS
Rotella T6
SAE Viscosity Grade Rotella T6
5W-40
Kinematic Viscosity (ASTM D 445)
@ 40°C mm2/s
100°C mm2/s
87
14.2
Dynamic Viscosity (ASTM D 5293)
@ -30 °C mPa s 6000
Total Base Number mg KOH/g
(ASTM D 2896) 10.6
Sulphated Ash % (ASTM D 874) 1.0
Density @ 15 °C kg/l
(ASTM D 4052) 0.858
Flash Point (COC) °C (ASTM D 92) 224
Pour Point °C (ASTM D 97) -45

found it here:
http://www-static.shell.com/static/can-en/downloads/shell_for_businesses/oils_lubricants/1-52.pdf

Bob with the
Dynamic Viscosity (ASTM D 5293)
@ -30 °C mPa s 6000,
Is this a light weight 5w?

silverbox said:

The Rotella t5 0w40 sold in Canada is synthetic.

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Quote from jettawreck:
"When I go up to Ontario ice fishing they have a 0-40 Rotella, but I see it's not full synthetic."

T5 0w-40 is a synthetic BLEND, not full synthetic like T6 per Shell's website and from info I recall from reading the bottle(s).

silverbox said:

Think I found a spec sheet:
TYPICAL PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS
Rotella T6
SAE Viscosity Grade Rotella T6
5W-40
Kinematic Viscosity (ASTM D 445)
@ 40°C mm2/s
100°C mm2/s
87
14.2
Dynamic Viscosity (ASTM D 5293)
@ -30 °C mPa s 6000
Total Base Number mg KOH/g
(ASTM D 2896) 10.6
Sulphated Ash % (ASTM D 874) 1.0
Density @ 15 °C kg/l
(ASTM D 4052) 0.858
Flash Point (COC) °C (ASTM D 92) 224
Pour Point °C (ASTM D 97) -45

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silverbox said:

found it here:
http://www-static.shell.com/static/can-en/downloads/shell_for_businesses/oils_lubricants/1-52.pdf

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That looks correct. The US version of the datasheet doesn't show much info

silverbox said:

Bob with the
Dynamic Viscosity (ASTM D 5293)
@ -30 °C mPa s 6000,
Is this a light weight 5w?

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Assuming this info is correct: http://widman.biz/English/Tables/J300.html

T6 exceeds the 5w minimum rating of 6600 @ -30C by a fair margin.

The great unknown with all this is what happens at temps warmer than this, but colder than 40C. This can be extrapolated to a certain point based on VII, 40C and 100C viscos.

TDT's VI of 153 vs T6's of 170 is significant.

Bob the castrol edge 505.01 is specced at Viscosity, CCS -30°C ASTM D5293 mPa.s (cP) 5550, how close is that to 0w?

jettawreck said:

Quote from jettawreck:
"When I go up to Ontario ice fishing they have a 0-40 Rotella, but I see it's not full synthetic."

T5 0w-40 is a synthetic BLEND, not full synthetic like T6 per Shell's website and from info I recall from reading the bottle(s).

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While it has the SB moniker, Rotella T SB 0w40 is 100% synthetic. Why Shell did that... who knows.

"Rotella T SB 100% Synthetic 0W-40"

http://www-static.shell.com/static/can-en/downloads/shell_for_businesses/oils_lubricants/1-15.pdf

In the ALH I would run Mobil 1 0w40, Rotella T SB 0w40 or D1 ESP 0w40 without worries. (or any of other Euro 0w40s)

Also, what does the higher flash point on the T6 mean?
CE 505.01 FP 210c, VS T6 FP 224c

silverbox said:

Bob the castrol edge 505.01 is specced at Viscosity, CCS -30°C ASTM D5293 mPa.s (cP) 5550, how close is that to 0w?

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Unknown exactly since 0w and 5w are measured at different temps.

silverbox said:

Also, what does the higher flash point on the T6 mean?
CE 505.01 FP 210c, VS T6 FP 224c

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I can't give you a good explanation (I don't know exactly), but this might help.

http://www.blackstone-labs.com/what-is-a-flash-point.php

Wow, this many views and posts with no one complaining it's a Group III+ oil

Bob_Fout said:

Well well well, after flirting with some of the more exotic oils over the past few years (Mobil 1 0w40, Mobil 1 ESP 5w30, Redline 0w40) next oil change is going to be Shell Rotella T 5w40.

http://www.shell.com/home/content/rotella/products/t6/

http://www-static.shell.com/static/...ts_services/lubricants/rotella/rotella_t6.pdf

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Been there from the beginning Bob . The trick is to find it in single quarts, since they refuse to sell a 5 quart bottle. Walmart and Meijer don't seem to carry the single quart and when they do it is close to seven bucks.

thebigarniedog said:

Been there from the beginning Bob . The trick is to find it in single quarts, since they refuse to sell a 5 quart bottle. Walmart and Meijer don't seem to carry the single quart and when they do it is close to seven bucks.

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Fancy there dog

Have you tried FLAPS, truck stops or 'farm-type' (rural king, fleet farm, farm and fleet etc) stores?

thebigarniedog said:

Been there from the beginning Bob . The trick is to find it in single quarts, since they refuse to sell a 5 quart bottle. Walmart and Meijer don't seem to carry the single quart and when they do it is close to seven bucks.

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I have seen single quarts of T6 in one Wal-Mart here (Mountain View), but another only had 4L jugs (Milpitas). The cons of owning a diesel I guess. Oh and neither one carries a battery for my A3

Found the gallon container at Maomart for $21, ended up paying $7 for the quart at Rural King.

Tractor Supply sometimes carries the single quarts.

If you have a Millls Fleet Farm, they carry it I believe in the quart variety, along with M1TDT in quarts by the case.

But would anyone use it in a 2010 tdi ?

williamgd2 said:

But would anyone use it in a 2010 tdi ?

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Or how about my 98 jetta tdi?

Midwesthick said:

Or how about my 98 jetta tdi?

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Absolutely!

Well I just bought a case of oil filters from Bora parts.I'll have to try it.

shadowguy said:

I have seen single quarts of T6 in one Wal-Mart here (Mountain View), but another only had 4L jugs (Milpitas). The cons of owning a diesel I guess. Oh and neither one carries a battery for my A3

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Kind of weird how walmarts stock very different oils...

williamgd2 said:

Well I just bought a case of oil filters from Bora parts.I'll have to try it.

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I would do some more researching before I used Rotella T6 in your 2010. Myself would be more inclined to use M1 TDT if off warranty.

I was responding to the '98 Jetta operated by Midwesthick.

jettawreck said:

I would do some more researching before I used Rotella T6 in your 2010. Myself would be more inclined to use M1 TDT if off warranty.

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My opinion is that it's not worth the risk of using TDT under 5-10 deg F in most vehicles. I would be surprised if TDT were adequate oil for the new CR engine.

I keep my quart containers of T6 when I empty them - that way I can refill them from the gallon jug (use a funnel ! ).

manual_tranny said:

My opinion is that it's not worth the risk of using TDT under 5-10 deg F in most vehicles. I would be surprised if TDT were adequate oil for the new CR engine.

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Manny, I haven't been keeping up with oil developments for about three years now....but I am (and have been) using TDT in my 2004 PD. Could you elaborate on this "risk"? Years ago when I decided to switch to TDT I remember folks pointing to specs that it would be fine down to -20 or something like that. Has the formula changed? Again, please forgive me if this has been debated to death on here....I haven't been a diligent TDI owner and studying up on oils ;-)

jettawreck said:

I would do some more researching before I used Rotella T6 in your 2010. Myself would be more inclined to use M1 TDT if off warranty.

I was responding to the '98 Jetta operated by Midwesthick.

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Neither oils is suitable in any DPF TDI/CDI/Bluetec/Bluemotion/AdBlue diesel.

The oil you would want to use is the Mobil 1 5w40 ESP Formula M.

This is DESIGNED (formulated) for ALL DPF, SCR, Sox, NOx, Urea injected catalyst equipped Clean engines for all makes and models.

This oil may not have the VW 507.00 but only because it is formulated with a higher viscosity than the 507.00 calls for. This is a good thing, especially if you are intending to keep your car and want the maximum protection.

FWIW, the Mobil 1 5w40 ESP Formula M is designed for use in all 4 cylinder, 6 cylinder, 8 cylinder Diesels using the latest generation emissions systems.

I would NOT use a VW507.00 in any diesel, but that's my opinion and chose to only run the Mobil 1 5w40 ESP Formula M in all my motors with Clean diesel technology.

I also recommend its use in all PD motors since it uses the original 5w40 Basestock oil but with the latest generation of wear protection additives which provide better protection than the older zinc based types.

manual_tranny said:

My opinion is that it's not worth the risk of using TDT under 5-10 deg F in most vehicles. I would be surprised if TDT were adequate oil for the new CR engine.

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"Risk"?? I think, at least in ALH engines, you are incorrect. It (M1 TDT) performed great the last few winters up here in northern MN, which usually spends most of the time considerably colder than 5-10F.

manual_tranny said:

My opinion is that it's not worth the risk of using TDT under 5-10 deg F in most vehicles. I would be surprised if TDT were adequate oil for the new CR engine.

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M1 TDT is safe for use down to -46F since it is a true Group IV "Synthetic" oil unlike the T6 which is a Group III hydro-processed type.

T6 is a good oil, it's just not an oil I would want to push too far as in longer drain intervals in motors like a TDI.

Also the TDT and T6 are both 5W rated oils, meaning they have approximately the same cold flow properties.

A 15W however should not be used below 10F or you risk a VERY really possibility of oil starvation damage without a block/sump heater installed and working.