sledstorm1
Veteran Member
I have an 07 chevy duramax with a cp3 pump, in the last three years of ownership and read a couple of duramax forums I have never heard of anything like this happening on a durmax.
The same reliability,as past model VW diesel fuel systems. And IF something fails in the fuel system it doesn't cost 1/2 to 1/3 of what the car sold for new. But what do I care..................I'm "driving more and worrying less" with my new gasser.Bosch has been the leader in diesel fuel pumps for more than fifty (50) years where you going to turn?
According the the NHTSA report 2010 failures represent 0.11 percent. That means 99.89 percent run just fine. What more do you want??????
TraitorBut what do I care..................I'm "driving more and worrying less" with my new gasser.
LOL! Not by choice.Traitor
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=259601Dweisel , did you have a hpfp fail or was it Reading some of the stories here that made you switch ?
When I started on the PD cam failure work, I was told about being an alarmist. All sorts of people quoted the low percent of failures. When the mileages got high the failures increased. Now it is common to talk of replacing PD cams.Bosch has been the leader in diesel fuel pumps for more than fifty (50) years where you going to turn?
According the the NHTSA report 2010 failures represent 0.11 percent. That means 99.89 percent run just fine. What more do you want??????
Since most truck haul all types of fuel in the same tanks it is highly possible for fuel to be contaminated when filling the trucks with fuel. Until tankers start hauling only diesel or gas or whatever there will be cross contamination.If 90% really are from using gasoline, then the failure rate might be 0.01%, or 1/10,000 for folks that are sure to only use diesel. I'm just doing some wishful thinking with this, not trying to be a jerk.
I do wish I had a car with the November 2010 upgraded pump. I guess my car only has 2 of the updates. It would be nice to know what they did to improve the pump. Honestly, I wish they would just come up with something to prevent the debris from contaminating the fuel system. Then it would just be a new pump for a few hundred bucks, not really a big deal at all.
It kills both myself and my wife to drive gassers. We've both driven diesels for over 25 years. Never had a problem with a fuel system. EVER! The 09's came out and both of us were excited about owning new tdi's. We purchased two 09's. A Sedan for my wife and a JSW for me.My wife's hpfp failed at 11,000 miles and mine failed at just over 24,000. So, until the hpfp problem is fixed......................dweisel isn't diesel anymore.Dweisel , did you have a hpfp fail or was it Reading some of the stories here that made you switch ?
Dweisel, What is your new ride?But what do I care..................I'm "driving more and worrying less" with my new gasser.
2011 JSW with the 2.5 gas/DGS. The wife went with the 2.5 manual Sedan. She likes it other than the hill assist. Only because that was the quickest and easiest route to make a trade. Plus VW threw in $2,000 trade assist. So that made it easier to swallow. BTW,they did not volunteer the "trade assist" and wanted to know where we heard about trade assist. We were told by a friend to ask for the trade assist.Dweisel, What is your new ride?
What are the odds that TWO HPFPs would fail on cars owned by the same people? What did to fuel samples show......or did they tell you? You sure gasoline was not put in the tanks by mistake? ........this just doesn't wash with me. Sorry.It kills both myself and my wife to drive gassers. We've both driven diesels for over 25 years. Never had a problem with a fuel system. EVER! The 09's came out and both of us were excited about owning new tdi's. We purchased two 09's. A Sedan for my wife and a JSW for me.My wife's hpfp failed at 11,000 miles and mine failed at just over 24,000. So, until the hpfp problem is fixed......................dweisel isn't diesel anymore.
Yea, that's what I thought........................what are the odds. No fuel testing was done. The second car's failure was not even questioned. My wife and I are the only ones that ever fueled these cars and we've driven diesels for 25+ years. So, NO GAS was put in either car.You can believe that or not. Could be the fuel that caused our failures,but my 03 Beetle runs fine on the same fuel. So, that tells me its something in the hpfp design materials thats not compatible with the fuel. No use worrying about it. Its done. The only thing I can tell you is "drive more and worry less" I know my wife and I are.What are the odds that TWO HPFPs would fail on cars owned by the same people? What did to fuel samples show......or did they tell you? You sure gasoline was not put in the tanks by mistake? ........this just doesn't wash with me. Sorry.
I would think the odds of you ever having another failure would be slim and none. Me? I would have purchased another diesel and be done with it.
HPFP failures are always going to be sometime after fueling up. Think about it.I just took my car in for its 20K service and talked a bit with the service rep. He told me that over 30 cars have had an HPFP failure at this particular dealership, but only one had to be covered by the owner. 90% of the vehicles had tested for gasoline in the fuel, and one did not, but yielded the same symptoms (lab tests, not styrofoam-cup). Those were to fill up, drive for half a tank or so, and then the HPFP dies.
I totally support your decision to bail on new Diesel cars. If i were you I would boycott VW altogether if both me and my wife both had a HPFP failure. All TDI's made post 2003 are total junk in my honest opinion. Even with the reliable engine platforms our family own (03 Jetta and 96 Passat) for TDI's everything else was just made to not last the long haul. Door handles, trunk locks, headliners, headlights... ect.It kills both myself and my wife to drive gassers. We've both driven diesels for over 25 years. Never had a problem with a fuel system. EVER! The 09's came out and both of us were excited about owning new tdi's. We purchased two 09's. A Sedan for my wife and a JSW for me.My wife's hpfp failed at 11,000 miles and mine failed at just over 24,000. So, until the hpfp problem is fixed......................dweisel isn't diesel anymore.
I'm not defending VW,but we have always been satisfied with our past VW tdi's.1985 Golf,1996 Passat Wagen,03 Beetle.We absolutely LOVED the two 09 Jetta's. Just hated the fuel system.I totally support your decision to bail on new Diesel cars. If i were you I would boycott VW altogether if both me and my wife both had a HPFP failure. All TDI's made post 2003 are totaly junk in my honest openion. Event with the reliable engine platforms me and my familly own for TDI's everything else was just made to not last. Door handles, trunk locks, headliners, headlights...
Only thing that keeps us here is fuel economy and power. If we lived in Europe it's almost certain a different brand name diesel auto would be our choice.I'm not defending VW,but we have always been satisfied with our past VW tdi's.1985 Golf,1996 Passat Wagen,03 Beetle.We absolutely LOVED the two 09 Jetta's. Just hated the fuel system.
Yes,the little quirky problems can be agrivating at times,but also an interesting challenge to try and solve. Thats probably what keeps me here.
Of course, but don't let your bias confuse the objectivity of cause and effect. Without isolating the variables, the only thing we can say is that it's the fuel. "What" about the fuel is only speculation until those variables are accounted for.HPFP failures are always going to be sometime after fueling up. Think about it.
Good pointOf course, but don't let your bias confuse the objectivity of cause and effect. Without isolating the variables, the only thing we can say is that it's the fuel. "What" about the fuel is only speculation until those variables are accounted for.
Think about it
We probably ought to take a holiday instead of work on the issues.Of course, but don't let your bias confuse the objectivity of cause and effect. Without isolating the variables, the only thing we can say is that it's the fuel. "What" about the fuel is only speculation until those variables are accounted for.
Think about it
Man this thread was such a hijack.
Can somebody point to where the actual NHTSA updates are on the pump?
NHTSA probably has all the info we need. The outcome of that investigation will determine much.Curious. Has anyone recently written to VW Corporate (not via the web) expressing concern about the HPFP in regards to the high rate of failure. Asking VW what they doing about the issue, are they anticipating replacing fuel pumps, extending the warranty, etc.
In my opinion due to the high cost of repair an extended warranty is not the solution - unless the warranty is good for the life of the car. After the normal extended warranty years or 700K miles (t) your VW will be worth less than the the repair price, especially if the pump failed after year ten.
The reason I ask is that we can speculate all we want, but VW is the only one that has the answers. I doubt VW will tell us what they know, which frankly is one reason why my next car my not be a VW. Corporate trust......