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2013 Audi A8 Gets 3.0-Liter Gas And Diesel Options In U.S.
2013 Audi A8 Gets 3.0-Liter Gas And Diesel Options In U.S.
2013 Audi A8 Gets 3.0-Liter Gas And Diesel Options In U.S.
2014 Audi A8 TDI Diesel Commercial: The Station [Video]
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TomB
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Yep. Heard about this about a month ago from the Audi guys when checking on my Passat build and delivery.
The A6 and A8 both with the 3.0L V6 TDI with Quattro and probably no low end price offerings.
You can order them in 13 months and take delivery in 17 months.
The A6 and A8 both with the 3.0L V6 TDI with Quattro and probably no low end price offerings.
You can order them in 13 months and take delivery in 17 months.
algaediesel
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I hope tonnes of people lease them...maybe I'll pick one up coming off a lease. By the time this is possible, I may be old enough to be interested in an automatic transmissioned cruiser.
16vjohn
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Great... I can save some money on fuel in my $85,000 economy car.
kjclow
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Maybe they'll offer the same engine in the cc now.
TDIMeister
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Won't fit.
bhtooefr
TDIClub Enthusiast, ToofTek Inventor
The largest diesel that fits in the Golf-based platforms is a 2.0L - and the CC (and NMS Passat) are Golf-based.
The smallest VW that would support the 3.0L V6 TDI (and it was never put in it), in current production, is the Passat Lingyu, which is a long wheelbase version of the B5.5 Passat still made in China. The B2 Santana also still made in China MIGHT fit it, but that's doubtful. For actual German VWs, it's the Phaeton, and for stuff sold in the US, it's the Touareg that already has it.
If you include Audi, the smallest that supports it is the A5. Now that'd be nice to see.
The smallest VW that would support the 3.0L V6 TDI (and it was never put in it), in current production, is the Passat Lingyu, which is a long wheelbase version of the B5.5 Passat still made in China. The B2 Santana also still made in China MIGHT fit it, but that's doubtful. For actual German VWs, it's the Phaeton, and for stuff sold in the US, it's the Touareg that already has it.
If you include Audi, the smallest that supports it is the A5. Now that'd be nice to see.
greengeeker
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Nice.
German_1er_diesel
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The A5 coupe and sportback are the only Audis still available with a 3.0 TDI/6-speed manual combo. Now THAT wouldn't suck.
I like that there's even the 143hp base diesel for the A5 Sportback.
They don't even have a gasser with quattro and a MT other than the 2.0TFSI anymore, while there are two TDIs with quattro/MT:
kjclow
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Interesting to look at the price list and see that only the last TDI offering is refered to as a "clean diesel". I could see myself behind the wheel of the A-5 coupe but at 38 - 51K Euros, I don't think the wife would allow it.
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kjclow
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I don't understand why it wouldn't fit when the top CC is offered with a 3.6l gasser. Is that not a larger engine than the 3.0l diesel? I suppose the engine compartment is layed differently but at least on paper it should work.
German_1er_diesel
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The "clean diesel" has the urea-based SCR system and exceeded the future Euro6 emissions ratings. The "un-clean" diesels meet Euro5. There is no difference in taxation yet, so there is little incentive to go with the "clean diesel" version
If you look further up, the 177hp 2.0TDI is priced lower than the 2.0 TFSI gas engine. You can't directly convert European/US prices.
If you look further up, the 177hp 2.0TDI is priced lower than the 2.0 TFSI gas engine. You can't directly convert European/US prices.
kjclow
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Yes, I know there is no direct price comparison but a car that runs 51K Euro is still going to be too expensive for my garage. No matter how you convert the prices. Plus we will never get the TDI manual quattro over here. VW/Audi doesn't think that we're smart enough to drive it.
German_1er_diesel
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The 3.6 gasser is an ultra-narrow-angle (10.8°) VR6 and doesn't take much more room than a inline-4 engine.
The 3.0 diesel is a traditional 90-degree V6. It is too wide to fit into the Passat/CC.
kjclow
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Ok, I knew there were a lot smarter people on here than me.
oilhammer
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The transverse cars use the VR layout, a much narrower engine than a V. It would take a lot of work to get a big V6 under the hood of the CC, and make an already nose-heavy car even worse. They'd have to detune it so much that you may as well just use a more powerful 4 cylinder that is already available.
The 3.6L VR6 gasser is much smaller than the 3.0L V6 TDI.
German_1er_diesel
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Having unnecessary knowledge does not make one smart. It just gives lots of opportunities to be that annoying smartass guy on internet forums.
bhtooefr
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No, it isn't.
The 3.6 is a VR6 - which is an engine specifically designed to shove 6 cylinders in a space where a 4-cylinder goes. The V angle is 10.6 degrees on that engine.
The 3.0 TDI is a normal V6 - and a 90 degree one at that - which won't fit in a Golf or anything based on it, and still meet crash safety standards.
Edit: And I've clearly been beaten to it. Multitasking FTL.
scrubber
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Anybody catch a whiff of when the Q5 might be dressed with a TDI in the U.S.?
I thought that would be in the next batch of offerings from Audi.
I thought that would be in the next batch of offerings from Audi.
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oilhammer
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They (Audi people) told us two years ago the Q5 was coming with a TDI under the hood, as well as a proper manual transmission option. So far, nothing has changed: A3 and Q7 only, automatic only, and the former is FWD only.
So whatever 'whiff' you get, it probably is not going to be as good as it smells.
kjclow
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Sounds like you've been talking to my wife!
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I would love an S5 with a turned up 2.0 TDI. I suppose I could settle for the V6 TDI though.
16vjohn
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I've stockpiled parts for my current cars. I'll drive them until the wheels fall off, rebuild them and repeat the process. I don't appreciate VWoA pushing the diesel as the "premium" product. I'm not going to put 75,000 miles per year on a $30,000 car. The Mark 3/4 diesels were fun econoboxes that were different. I liked that. Now, 42mpg in a diesel costs me twice as much as a entry level 40mpg gassers.
bhtooefr
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The thing is, to meet US emissions, you're stuck paying a premium price, so you then get all the premium options so that it doesn't look like a ripoff.
The way I'd look at it is, it'll be a LONG time before it costs more than a car payment per month to keep a properly maintained ALH Mk4 with a manual on the road. Until THAT point, it's still cost effective.
The way I'd look at it is, it'll be a LONG time before it costs more than a car payment per month to keep a properly maintained ALH Mk4 with a manual on the road. Until THAT point, it's still cost effective.
oilhammer
Certified Volkswagen Nut & Vendor
Agreed. The 'economy' part of owning a TDI exists in the older cars it seems. Newer ones, not so much. That said, my 8 year old Passat set me back almost $30k
German_1er_diesel
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The 'economy' part of owning a car mostly exists in older stuff.
TomB
Veteran Member
Ummm, in this case it is NOT about fuel MPG. It is about PERFORMANCE with good MPG. The torque on the 3.0L alone is worth it. Besides the maintenance of a diesel is far less than a gasser. The longevity as well of the engine is worth it too.
BTW, the A6 is about $55K and the A8 is the $85K car. Compared to Mercedes the A6 is FAR better loaded and the A8 absolutely a different class of vehicle. You will even be able to get the L version.
oilhammer
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Two myths that just won't die.
HeAvYfUeL
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Audi Adds A8 TDI Diesel To U.S. Lineup
http://www.thedieseldriver.com/2012/01/audi-adds-a8-tdi-diesel-to-u-s-lineup/
http://www.thedieseldriver.com/2012/01/audi-adds-a8-tdi-diesel-to-u-s-lineup/
Audi A8 TDI Review published in TDD
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