Mach1 said:
Pane does all the things you describe of meth..
You forgot to mention that water collects in the crankcase by blowing by the rings, have you done your homework and do an OA to check this.
Pane is good in small quanities and bad in large doses.
Because pane extends the burn time, which advances the burn, preignition..
Too much pane will crack ring lands and pistons and CC's.
Water injection was used to cool IC engines, remember the WWII aircraft?
I agree to use the WI as cooling, I dont agree to use the Meth as fuel, I would rather use Pane. Doesn't Meth advance the timing as well????? I didn't say it was bad for a diesel, but now that you brought it up...
WI would be good for limited use or at the track, but I dont think as a street engine or fuel economy driving.
If someone was to use it daily, I would keep a eye out on the water concentrates in the OA.
Another misconception you guys really and I mean really need to know how internal combustion engines work before blanket comments are made that are technical false.
Heres a fact! For every 100 gallons of diesel burnt this is what produced.
Your worring about adding under 300 ml/min of water to a engine that is making gallons and gallon of it. And half of that is vaporized in the intake and is steam and alcohol vapor long before it hits the combustion chamber.
For every 100 gallons of diesel/gas burnt this is about what you get.
90-120 gallons of water
3 to 10 gallons of unburned gasoline/diesel
½ to 2 pounds of soot
¼ to 1 pound of resins and varnishes
1 to 4 pounds of nitrogen and sulfur acids
6 to 10 ounces of insoluble lead salts (if leaded gasoline is used)
1 to 2 ounces of hydrochloric and hydrobromic acids.
If you don't know that your engine is gulping down at least 50ml/min at 400rpms of water due to air saturation on a rainy day.
Like I said before there is no magic to it, just basic chemistry.
Water is a normal part of combustion folks.
These are facts!! And if anyone tells you the old water myth and then they do not understand internal combustion. That's why I go nuts when people ask (Will water hurt my engine, rust my engine, ruin my oil, contaminate my fuel, rust my rings, ect, ect)
You forgot to mention that water collects in the crankcase by blowing by the rings, have you done your homework and do an OA to check this.
This statement is based on old rumors and false information.
I'm not trying to down you by any chance but the old devil just does not like when statements are made that are not based on facts. You should really look up coke, It's not the drink. But it's one of the number one sources of engine wear in a diesel engine and can be reduced almost 80% with water alcohol injection.
Coking deposits are generally un-combusted or incompletely combusted hydrocarbons and can form on system components such as the EGR valve, EGR cooler, EBP Sensor, EBP tube, intake manifold, turbo charger, catalytic converter and EGR throttle plate. Deposit sample analysis from warranty return parts confirms the source as engine oil or diesel fuel. Visual inspection CAN NOT link the sources of coking deposits as either from engine oil or diesel fuel. Coking deposits can be identified as shiny black grease like sludge, hard flat black solid mass, or thin light brown sticky layer.
Un-combusted deposits can be linked to delayed combustion events. Delayed combustion events can be a function of hard to ignite elements (poor quality fuel, excessive fuel, engine oil or excessive exhaust gas recirculation) in the combustion chamber or a delayed injection event (calibration, wire chafe, injector mechanical issue). Un-combusted fuel is usually evident as fuel scented white exhaust smoke. Un-combusted fuel may create coking which impairs system functionality eventually leading to black exhaust smoke / poorly combusted fuel.
If I owned a diesel I would be a little more worried about coking then the already present water.
You would save yourselves a lot of questions if you would do a little research on how a internal combustion engine works and the process of burning hydrocarbons.
There is no comparison when you take apart 2 engines with the same mileage one with water injection and one without
EOA, Remember the system will clear out almost all carbon and soot in the engine so change your oil the first 1000 miles.
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Devilsown only deals in facts. Any ASE Certified master mech can tell you the same thing so feel free not to take our word for it. Do your own research, be informed based on solid scientific facts.