https://www.thedrive.com/news/32533...50000-fine-for-tampering-with-truck-emissions
Or at least don’t brag about it ...
Or at least don’t brag about it ...
There was a thread about another company getting swacked by the EPA for trying exactly that a couple years ago. They tried to argue that all they sold was off road only and competition mods, and it was on the customers for driving them on the street. Judge wasn't buying that argument.Slap an "off-road use only" sticker and let it roll. That's what the rest of industry does.
Slap an "off-road use only" sticker and let it roll. That's what the rest of industry does.
That hasn't been a valid defense for a number of years. If they can show that you knew, or ought to have known, that vehicles were driven on the road with that equipment despite those words, they will see right through it.Slap an "off-road use only" sticker and let it roll. That's what the rest of industry does.
There was a thread about another company getting swacked by the EPA for trying exactly that a couple years ago. They tried to argue that all they sold was off road only and competition mods, and it was on the customers for driving them on the street. Judge wasn't buying that argument.
I remember a few year back Gale Banks warning guys like this to knock it off, or EPA would start dropping the hammer. Guess he was right.
Jason
That doesn't work.
So, I decide to have a crazy drag car built or something that you don't typically see on the streets. I have that done and i trailer it all over, push it into my garage/storage and do things right it's ok. Then, I decide to be dumb and just go for a ride on a public highway, then company that built it for me is responsible? I was figuring that people who build this kind of thing would have the customer sign off on paperwork that sort of indemnifies them, no?That hasn't been a valid defense for a number of years. If they can show that you knew, or ought to have known, that vehicles were driven on the road with that equipment despite those words, they will see right through it.
Work on a vehicle that has a license plate on it? Vehicle gets driven in or driven out (as opposed to being towed in and towed out with no license plate on it)? Then you knew, or ought to have known, that the vehicle was being driven on the road.
In that scenario most judges would just fine the vehicle owner. But that's a good example of why many shops aren't interested in rolling the dice these days.So, I decide to have a crazy drag car built or something that you don't typically see on the streets. I have that done and i trailer it all over, push it into my garage/storage and do things right it's ok. Then, I decide to be dumb and just go for a ride on a public highway, then company that built it for me is responsible? I was figuring that people who build this kind of thing would have the customer sign off on paperwork that sort of indemnifies them, no?
Yep. LBZ's have gone thru the roof.The few times I have watched that show it seemed like they were mostly messing with much older trucks.
Which, by the way, leads me to want to ask: anyone noticed the SKYROCKETING prices of these older pre-crazy-emissions diesel pickups? Seriously, a 2000-05 era Ram in excellent condition with less than 200k miles on it will sell for its new MSRP around here. And quickly. There is a new dealership in Eureka MO I drive past every day that JUST sells diesels, and their lot is constantly refreshing. 95% of them are domestic pickups, mostly Dodge/Ram and Ford with the occasional GM truck and once in a while a Volkswagen that I can only assume is a diesel.
I foresee any of these old beasts being drug out of wherever and being refurbished by a cottage industry that is going to be quite profitable. And I have to admit, before I'd pay $60k for a truck with a pedal deficiency that has a giant computer screen on the dash and gets poor(er) fuel economy and is laden with fragile emissions components I'd pay $40k for a professionally reconditioned 20 year old truck. I really would. But I would not want it to be a smokey brodozer.... a mostly stock, clean, straight pickup with the factory wheels and ride height is fine with me.
That is true, but most don't, finance it etc, make stupid monthly payments. New vehicles are way over priced and too complex.My 2004 Touareg cost its first owner $99k (I have a photo of its window sticker), around $129k today corrected for inflation. If someone has money and inclination to buy new, why not?
but the lowe emissions required kills trucks causing more to me made. More parts made. more fuel used to transport said items. More fuel burned to produce electricity. What ends up being worse?EPA and CARB presented a seminar at the SEMA show. They said the "delete tune and straight pipe" trucks, when considered together were THE single largest source of air polution in the country right now, bar none. Not even close, more than every other polution source COMBINED. As hard as that may be for you to believe, and as much as you may wish it to not be so, it is their position and belief, which is what matters. Eliminating this source of polution is their number one enforcement priority at present.
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I don't deny that diesels aren't great for the environment, i just find it interesting that they go after the avg american. What about scrubbers? or the coal mines in other country's? or trucking? (i think truckers are great, and it's still the best way to transport goods efficiently) I totally get trying to do our part to clean up after ourselves, but i think maybe they took it a lil to far. interesting thread thanks for making that. As turbobrick240 said further down on that one I kinda wonder if their going after the crazy HP, and high soot coal rollers...EPA and CARB presented a seminar at the SEMA show. They said the "delete tune and straight pipe" trucks, when considered together were THE single largest source of air polution in the country right now, bar none. Not even close, more than every other polution source COMBINED. As hard as that may be for you to believe, and as much as you may wish it to not be so, it is their position and belief, which is what matters. Eliminating this source of polution is their number one enforcement priority at present.
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Which makes electric look better, and sense it's cheaper to fuel (right now), and less parts then people will switch (makes sense), but is it impossible to run a country with even half of everyone runing EV right now. There just isn't a way to make that much electric. plus once all the "dirty petrol vehicles" are gone you think electric will stay as cheap as it is now? lolbut the lowe emissions required kills trucks causing more to me made. More parts made. more fuel used to transport said items. More fuel burned to produce electricity. What ends up being worse?
yup, i agree!If you aren't one of the minority of those who have tuned their cars (coal rollers especially) or deleted emissions equipment, life goes on normally just like before. Get in and drive your gas/diesel/hybrid/electric car and enjoy life. Fuel is cheap right now so enjoy that for the time being. It will be quite some time before electric cars make up half of the vehicles out there. Currently they are way too expensive for the average person to even afford and not suited to many peoples driving requirements. But the day is coming at some point in the future.
Sure they said that at a car show for car people but I'm in the oil and gas industry and calling 100% bull**** on their claim as targeting tuned vehicles as the largest pollution source. Just take a ride down the Houston Ship Channel towards the refineries.EPA and CARB presented a seminar at the SEMA show. They said the "delete tune and straight pipe" trucks, when considered together were THE single largest source of air polution in the country right now, bar none. Not even close, more than every other polution source COMBINED. As hard as that may be for you to believe, and as much as you may wish it to not be so, it is their position and belief, which is what matters. Eliminating this source of polution is their number one enforcement priority at present.
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oh dont get me started on how many resources are burned producing the batteries for the ev..Which makes electric look better, and sense it's cheaper to fuel (right now), and less parts then people will switch (makes sense), but is it impossible to run a country with even half of everyone runing EV right now. There just isn't a way to make that much electric. plus once all the "dirty petrol vehicles" are gone you think electric will stay as cheap as it is now? lol