Additional CCM coding and configurations with VDS Pro

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Hi there,

I think Phil wired using the discussed connections, but I'd like to confirm that the T15/3 will be my signal wire for the DWA - CCM 1C0 959 799 C.

Do you guys use diodes to protect the CCM?

TIA.
 
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Indeed, I connected as diagrammed by Madelgado, and described by lito.

However, I didn't reuse the existing run from the horn to the CCM. Instead, I ran two wires from the DWA Siren to the CCM. One to T15/3, the other to power (T15/12 was it?).

Then for ground, I just used a ground point directly beneath the water deflector and in front of the ECU.

I did not use a Diode on T15/3. My CCM is also 1C0 959 799 C, 2003 Jetta w/ Power Windows.

Did you get the new siren yet?

--phil
 

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Not yet, but I have 10 used ones on the way from Germany as we speak. hehe
 

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Here's a question for you Madelgado...

Can we change the horn beep to give two chirps when locking, and 1 when unlocking rather than the other way around?
 

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I’m trying to get my DWA siren to work in my 2003 Golf. I have the 1C0 959 799C CCM.

I moved the CCM wire from T15/11 to T15/3 using a small 000 979 131 wire scavenged from my old ipod adapter.

This was connected to pin 1 on the DWA connector.
I get approx 10.6volts continuously on this wire, dips down in the high 8s when it should be chirping. I'm not sure if this is normal.


Pin 2 went to ground, and Pin 3 was connected to constant 12v for testing purposes.

I then changed the bits at addresses 4367, 4368 and 4369 to 112.

No Siren.

Then I read that interior monitoring may need to be enabled, so I want to 4355, 4356 and 4357 (Original value 4) and changed this to 12.

CCM Channel 15 Measuring Block 2 Interior Value = No
CCM Channel 15 Measuring Block 3 Disconnect Switch Value = Off

Still no Chirping.

Anyone have any ideas?

First thing I'll try on Sunday is to use 120 like Phil did.
 
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mtltdi said:
I’m trying to get my DWA siren to work in my 2003 Golf. I have the 1C0 959 799C CCM.

I moved the CCM wire from T15/11 to T15/3 using a small 000 979 131 wire scavenged from my old ipod adapter.

This was connected to pin 1 on the DWA connector.
I get approx 10.6volts continuously on this wire, dips down in the high 8s when it should be chirping. I'm not sure if this is normal.


Pin 2 went to ground, and Pin 3 was connected to constant 12v for testing purposes.

I then changed the bits at addresses 4367, 4368 and 4369 to 112.

No Siren.

Then I read that interior monitoring may need to be enabled, so I want to 4355, 4356 and 4357 (Original value 4) and changed this to 12.

CCM Channel 15 Measuring Block 2 Interior Value = No
CCM Channel 15 Measuring Block 3 Disconnect Switch Value = Off

Still no Chirping.

Anyone have any ideas?

First thing I'll try on Sunday is to use 120 like Phil did.
What is the part number of the siren? it should be 1J0 951 605 or 1J0 951 605 A.

I am not sure that you have to enable interior monitoring... I think that it is independent.

This is the waveform of lin-bus signal... so it makes sense that it is below 12 volts DC:

http://www.picotech.com/auto/waveforms/lin_bus.html

The pin closed to the rounded edge of the siren connector is +12 (pin 3), the middle one (2) is ground and the remaining is LIN-BUS.

What did you have originally in the address 4367-4368-4369? Probably one of these: 255, 32, 64 or 96.

Another question: did the normal horn stop working? If so, then it is a good sign.

About your question, I do not really know if the CCM is so much configurable... maybe yes and many of the unknown bits control how much time the dome lights remain on, or the number of chirps... who knows (well, maybe siemens people ;-) ) I know about some features that you can configure, but I did not found the bits yet for 1C0 CCM... such as the speed for auto-lock or to open all doors when releasing the lock of any single door (like mercedes) That small black box is a whole world inside, ufff
 

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I tried 120, no luck there.

My Siren is 1K0 951 605A and I also tried a 1K0 951 605C

I originally had 96 at 4367-4368 and 4369. I had my siren setup as UK before I started fooling with the car.

The normal horn stopped working, the DWA never worked. I temporarily renabled the old horn inputting 96 into the addresses.
 

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Lito and Phil, can you confirm that you have the MK5 siren in the picture on Page 3 of this thread 1K0 951 605...or do you have the egg shaped MK4 one 1J0 951 605.

Thanks
 

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I bought the one shown in ETKA for an 03 Bora, which is 1J0 951 605 A.

It does look exactly like the one shown on page 3 in this thread.

Tonight, I'll double check that part number against the box it came in, if I still have it.

--phil
 

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Oh no. Looks like I got the wrong one for the MK4's. I guess the LinBus data is different between the MK4 and the MK5 because I didn't get a single tweet out of the 1K0 in my 2003.
 

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mtltdi said:
Oh no. Looks like I got the wrong one for the MK4's. I guess the LinBus data is different between the MK4 and the MK5 because I didn't get a single tweet out of the 1K0 in my 2003.
That is the problem for sure :-(
 

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Just updated the post in page 3 so it does clarify that 1K0 siren will not work for 1J0 or 1C0 CCMs. Sorry because it was my fault... I just thought that both sirens would implement the same LIN-BUS protocol... My fault, sorry :-(
 

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No problem, just find me the memory addresses that have to be modified so I can sell these to MK5 owners. LOL. :)
 

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mtltdi said:
No problem, just find me the memory addresses that have to be modified so I can sell these to MK5 owners. LOL. :)
Just checked my original receipt from Mahag VW in Munich, and the packaging the siren came in.

The sirens I bought for both myself and Lito were definitely 1J0 951 605 A.

Sorry :-(

--phil
 

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Minor setback, I don't think anyone will make that mistake in the future.
 

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mtltdi said:
No problem, just find me the memory addresses that have to be modified so I can sell these to MK5 owners. LOL. :)
I am working on that as well... but for MK5s and newer models you don't need vds-pro... I think that just changing the long-coding you can make it work. I have wiring diagrams for mk5 as well:



Wire ro/ge (red/yellow) which goes to column 7 is fuse 35 of 5 Amps.

Hope this helps!
 

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Just to let you know that I have compared the power window motor of driver's door with another one from Seat Leon with folding mirrors and the Hardware is exact... I have read already all the memory positions of my motor (from 8200 to 8699) and someone is reading another passat's power motor with folding mirrors with vds-pro, so soon I will be able to compare and convert my non-folding-enabled power motor to folding-enabled. Hope that no need to replace the power window motor... (as for the alarm). As soon as I have the bits to change I will post it here.
 

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madelgado said:
Just to let you know that I have compared the power window motor of driver's door with another one from Seat Leon with folding mirrors and the Hardware is exact... I have read already all the memory positions of my motor (from 8200 to 8699) and someone is reading another passat's power motor with folding mirrors with vds-pro, so soon I will be able to compare and convert my non-folding-enabled power motor to folding-enabled. Hope that no need to replace the power window motor... (as for the alarm). As soon as I have the bits to change I will post it here.
I know the actual mirrors have to be changed, (since the stock ones don't have the folding motor or the limit switches), but I am going to be SOOOOO pissed if this is just a software setting and VW makes you buy a new $300 motor just to supposedly get the folding function that could be enabled with a few bit swaps. :mad:
 

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Occams_Razor said:
I know the actual mirrors have to be changed, (since the stock ones don't have the folding motor or the limit switches), but I am going to be SOOOOO pissed if this is just a software setting and VW makes you buy a new $300 motor just to supposedly get the folding function that could be enabled with a few bit swaps. :mad:
Today I spent more than half an hour comparing resistor by resistor and track by track the board of my motor (driver's side) with another motor that is folding-mirror enabled and I found 0 differences.

The mirrors of course I had to buy because there is no possible conversion. They are here at home for one week now. I will not install them until I find this bit.

The dump of my power window motor (driver's side) without folding capability is:

Address 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
8200 50 3 0 0 18 167 44 215 0 193
8210 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 105
8220 100 10 255 155 31 58 255 2 27 228
8230 255 255 200 80 80 150 100 75 76 64
8240 73 232 25 50 15 0 200 100 250 20
8250 120 50 20 35 25 25 25 25 25 25
8260 10 4 4 4 50 6 157 128 155 31
8270 58 255 2 27 228 255 255 200 80 80
8280 150 100 75 76 64 73 232 25 50 15
8290 0 200 100 250 20 120 50 20 35 25
8300 25 25 25 25 25 10 4 4 4 50
8310 6 157 128 155 31 58 255 2 27 228
8320 255 255 200 80 80 150 100 75 76 64
8330 73 232 25 50 15 0 200 100 250 20
8340 120 50 20 35 25 25 25 25 25 25
8350 10 4 4 4 50 6 157 128 252 8
8360 8 170 8 8 16 47 200 255 10 1
8370 25 3 210 7 29 23 18 66 16 168
8380 118 204 185 254 221 50 28 4 188 10
8390 6 10 3 128 6 85 64 2 70 64
8400 190 2 5 51 251 25 23 34 162 137
8410 7 125 25 25 250 200 50 2 10 2
8420 30 15 3 0 90 80 20 15 45 45
8430 35 20 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10
8440 10 10 10 10 20 20 20 40 40 20
8450 20 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10
8460 10 10 10 16 16 40 20 18 255 255
8470 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
8480 255 255 255 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
8490 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
8500 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 78 12
8510 155 136 166 165 199 2 232 110 19 32
8520 110 3 32 129 198 2 232 161 165 38
8530 24 198 1 143 164 16 39 2 166 255
8540 157 171 2 203 1 131 161 3 35 2
8550 166 3 199 1 15 79 199 2 232 129
8560 0 0 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
8570 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
8580 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
8590 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
8600 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
8610 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
8620 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 49
8630 67 49 57 53 57 56 48 49 32 32
8640 32 48 49 32 84 245 114 115 116 101
8650 117 101 114 46 70 83 32 75 76 79
8660 32 48 48 48 52 255 239 255 192 255
8670 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
8680 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
8690 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255

The fields in blue is the ASCII characters for: "1C1959801 01 Tõrsteuer.FS KLO 0004" (info in the extra field of CCM). The power window motor that has the folding mirror feature is: 1C0 959 801. If someone has this motor in passat or Skoda SuperB, please!

It is also welcome if someone with a power window motor enabled for folding mirror and with part number starting with 1Cx wants to help me... by reading with vds-pro the motor memory and writing down the 10 bytes after each address, in groups of 10.

Thanks !!!!! a lot in advance!
 

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The fields in blue is the ASCII characters for: "1C1959801 01 Tõrsteuer.FS KLO 0004" (info in the extra field of CCM). The power window motor that has the folding mirror feature is: 1C0 959 801. If someone has this motor in passat or Skoda SuperB, please!

It is also welcome if someone with a power window motor enabled for folding mirror and with part number starting with 1Cx wants to help me... by reading with vds-pro the motor memory and writing down the 10 bytes after each address, in groups of 10.
I have the 1C0 959 801 B and the 1C0 959 802 C installed in my car right now.

I will try to get the memory addresses for you tomorrow.
 

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Thanks a lot Lito and Occams_Razor!
I am impatient to have that... but, guys take your time ;-)
 

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Miguel,

You need to figure out how to enable ASR/ESP on the standard ABS unit!

Lito
 

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madelgado said:
Thanks a lot Lito and Occams_Razor!
I am impatient to have that... but, guys take your time ;-)
I tried again tonight but VDS will not let me access the memory addresses on this CCM, (this is a replacement for the one KVW buggy original one I had before).

I can login in fine but everytime I try to access the memory addresses at function 26 it lets me enter the address and then flashes on the screen and then gives me an unable to access this function at this time error message. :mad:

Sorry dude. :(
 

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Occams_Razor said:
I tried again tonight but VDS will not let me access the memory addresses on this CCM, (this is a replacement for the one KVW buggy original one I had before).

I can login in fine but everytime I try to access the memory addresses at function 26 it lets me enter the address and then flashes on the screen and then gives me an unable to access this function at this time error message. :mad:

Sorry dude. :(
Simply strange... did you try other addresses such us 4361? the one for windows roll-up feature? Don't worry... I am also waiting for someone here in Spain with Skoda SuperB to get a dump from his power window... I will let you know how it goes ;-) Thanks for the try!
 

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madelgado said:
Simply strange... did you try other addresses such us 4361? the one for windows roll-up feature? Don't worry... I am also waiting for someone here in Spain with Skoda SuperB to get a dump from his power window... I will let you know how it goes ;-) Thanks for the try!
Yup. None of them wanted to work. Not sure what voodoo the KVW guy did to this CCM but it doesn't like to be probed for some reason. :mad:
 

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Occams_Razor said:
Yup. None of them wanted to work. Not sure what voodoo the KVW guy did to this CCM but it doesn't like to be probed for some reason. :mad:
Ramon,

You can still read the CCM via vag-com, right? When I had the KVW-100 CCM I couldn't scan it with VDS-pro either. Should we warn others that using KVW-100 will not allow VDS-pro to function?

L
 

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Occams_Razor said:
Yup. None of them wanted to work. Not sure what voodoo the KVW guy did to this CCM but it doesn't like to be probed for some reason. :mad:
I don't want to think that they have hacked the CCM so that no one can read their mods... that would be really ugly
 
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