When I had looked up the Model S years ago, the lower-end S didn't have free supercharger access -- you had to pay an extra $2000! Yikes. And more recently, didn't Tesla say that people shouldn't abuse the charging stations and reserve it just for trips? In other words, it wasn't intended as free "fuel" for everyday. But, I guess that happens with "free". I don't know why they can't just charge you a small fee to use it and be done with it.
I'm with you, except that I have about 65,000 miles on my '11. I'm in no hurry to get another car, but still thinking about taking the buyback; usually I own cars for a bit longer, but I'm not sure I want to risk future potential issues, particularly given a "fix".
My favorite line from TFA:
Clarified, because someone will read it as 150 deaths. 139 injuries and last update was 12 deaths over 41 million cars, something over 85M individual airbags. http://blog.caranddriver.com/massiv...now-including-full-list-of-affected-vehicles/
I think a more realistic statistic would be a comparison between the deaths/injuries and the cases where that airbag deployed.
There are a couple that are interesting, deaths due to the airbag deploying, deaths in wrecks without an airbag deploying on a car with airbags, wrecks with airbag deployment and no death.
So the defense is.... "we cheated but it didn't hurt anybody" Thanks for clearing that up. Now if all auto makers have that same attitude would our pollution levels be the same they are now? Clearly most are following the rules and we all benefit.Diesel Haters
Just because VW cheated (on purpose), choosing to save a few hundred bucks & didn’t use the available technology correctly, people should know that Clean Diesel technology currently used in Trucks/Busses etc. is responsible for the cleaner air quality we currently enjoy now in the most polluted USA cities compared with 2005, & it continues to get even better.
The air coming out the exhaust of an 18 wheeler or Bus equipped with DPF/SCR is actually cleaner in many instances than the air going in! Trucks, buses, etc. are currently driving around in the most polluted USA cities like a fleet of air scrubbers cleaning the air.
Watch this BLUE SKYS Commercial I personally posted 8 years ago
ALL 100% of Diesel cars currently registered in USA only makes up 1% -2% of the 253 Million cars currently on the road, All our cheating TDIs combined in USA since 2009 only make up about 20% of that 1% to 2%, that’s less than 0.4% of all the cars on USA roads.
What is the real impact of all our polluting TDI’s?
Since 2005 Pollution is down by as much as 50%, mainly because of CLEAN DIESEL TECHNOLOGY used in Trucks, Buses, & cars over the past 7 years.
All our VW TDI's Cheating 10X to 40X over the limit (within that same time frame) have been running wild in USA since 2009, YET... total pollution has been reduced, cut substantially by as much as 20% -50% during the same time period from 2005 to 2014.
THIS map shows USA pollution in 2005:
And with all of our entire combined 0.4% USA VW cheating TDI FLEET polluting 10X to 40X over EPA Limits, this is how the map of pollution looks as of 2014:
And it continues getting better every year despite our .4% of cheating TDIs.
Europe’s total pollution has also dropped since 2005, but not nearly as much as USA because Europe has not (yet) implemented Clean Diesel Technology on all their lorries & buses like USA has.
Gasoline cars reign Supreme in China
Finally, the most polluted country in the world (CHINA) has the LEAST Diesel vehicles of any country! only 0.4% of vehicles in CHINA are Diesel!
FACTS SOURCE
I often wonder if any other car makers cheat on emissions in a similar fashion as vw did.
If you disconnect the battery, you usually need a Vag-Com to get the Aux. port to work on your radio again.
There is no defense going on here for VW. I'm just not upset about what they did as you and some others are.
Same worries here ... but have the good fortune to not drive many miles.
Anyone know the part number for the cheat device?
I may want to order a spare before the pending solution.
I supposed it depends on where you live. My area has some high labor rates. I will admit, I got that estimate via hear-say and had not actually called around. My main point is that so much labor has to be done.
Not true. Every car I have owned for years was a $20-$25 Mobile 1 Full Sync jug of oil from Walmart. I'm lucky in that my local dealer sells the oil for $9 a quart because the normal price I believe is $12.
When I normally research a car, yes.. I typically try to dig in deep. Like I'm doing now 2 months before I find out what VW is going to offer. However as I mentioned, this Jetta basically fell into my lap in 2 days time. When it did, the going rates around here for similar were $20k or higher, I got mine for $16k, so I took a gamble, and lost.
I'm way passed my car tweaking days, but while reading this thread, I saw mention of some tuners out there.. .so I looked one up. It would appear (on first read) that for $180 you can buy a flash device from them that has 1 slot for the Factory settings, and additional slots for different tunes.
Am I thinking wrong here but could we not simply buy that device, take an image of the VW "Fix", and then replace it all with an even better version than we have now? And when you have to take it in to smog, you simply flash it back to the "Fix", then go back to the Tune?
It can't be that easy right?
Maybe I'm the odd ball but I agree. It's one thing to have something happen down the road, but how many of us would buy a brand new car, a brand new house, hell, a brand new gadget, only to find out that it was defective and then just suck it up.
What is with all the missing photos in posts recently? Is vBulletin breaking down more?Diesel Haters
Just because VW cheated (on purpose), choosing to save a few hundred bucks & didn’t use the available technology correctly, people should know that Clean Diesel technology currently used in Trucks/Busses etc. is responsible for the cleaner air quality we currently enjoy now in the most polluted USA cities compared with 2005, & it continues to get even better.
The air coming out the exhaust of an 18 wheeler or Bus equipped with DPF/SCR is actually cleaner in many instances than the air going in! Trucks, buses, etc. are currently driving around in the most polluted USA cities like a fleet of air scrubbers cleaning the air.
Watch this BLUE SKYS Commercial I personally posted 8 years ago
ALL 100% of Diesel cars currently registered in USA only makes up 1% -2% of the 253 Million cars currently on the road, All our cheating TDIs combined in USA since 2009 only make up about 20% of that 1% to 2%, that’s less than 0.4% of all the cars on USA roads.
What is the real impact of all our polluting TDI’s?
Since 2005 Pollution is down by as much as 50%, mainly because of CLEAN DIESEL TECHNOLOGY used in Trucks, Buses, & cars over the past 7 years.
All our VW TDI's Cheating 10X to 40X over the limit (within that same time frame) have been running wild in USA since 2009, YET... total pollution has been reduced, cut substantially by as much as 20% -50% during the same time period from 2005 to 2014.
THIS map shows USA pollution in 2005:
And with all of our entire combined 0.4% USA VW cheating TDI FLEET polluting 10X to 40X over EPA Limits, this is how the map of pollution looks as of 2014:
And it continues getting better every year despite our .4% of cheating TDIs.
Europe’s total pollution has also dropped since 2005, but not nearly as much as USA because Europe has not (yet) implemented Clean Diesel Technology on all their lorries & buses like USA has.
Gasoline cars reign Supreme in China
Finally, the most polluted country in the world (CHINA) has the LEAST Diesel vehicles of any country! only 0.4% of vehicles in CHINA are Diesel!
FACTS SOURCE
Yup, suck it up. Somebody else isn't responsible for every misfortune that befalls you in life. Your broken pipe scenario is a good example.
It would be more accurate to say something like, you have a 1" crack in the foundation, and the front half of the house is settling. The engine is kinda a fundamental thing in a car, it's not like a rad hose broke. Thus the comparison to something in a house so fundamental it automatically impacts buyer perception, like foundation problems.
