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BioDiesel' October 10th, 2016 05:57

German Lawmakers Ban Internal Combustion Engines by 2030
 
http://gizmodo.com/german-lawmakers-...-en-1787574000

HBarlow October 11th, 2016 06:39

When politicians ban or require something by a date fourteen years in the future it's clear they aren't sincere but only pandering to voters.

kjclow October 11th, 2016 07:09

14 years to stop production of ICE vehicles? I don't see that battery technology will advance enough to make that happen.

c-wagen October 11th, 2016 07:57

Battery technology can advance, but that does not mean it wont be more expensive than ICEs... Also this will force companies to retool...which can take time.

kjclow October 11th, 2016 08:08

I'm not saying that the battery technology won't advance, just that it doesn't look like it will advance enough to satisfy the North American buying public. The ideal is something that will run at least 200 miles a charge, regardless of weather, and be able to fully recharge in less than 15 minutes. Maybe it will be a swappable battery pack or a new battery chemistry but if it takes longer than a typical fuel stop, the public won't accept it.

Anyone who drives more than three hours without a stop, to at least get out of the car and wake up, is really putting their life and ours at risk.

flee October 11th, 2016 08:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by HBarlow (Post 5155491)
When politicians ban or require something by a date fourteen years in the future it's clear they aren't sincere but only pandering to voters.

Actually, in this case, it's called 'planning'. It could also be called facing reality.

Germany lacks much oil but is adding renewable energy at a very fast pace.

Germany is the economic engine powering Europe because of long term planning
that has allowed companies there to build some of the best products on Earth
while adhering to some of the tightest environmental standards anywhere.

Germany does this while providing free education and health care for it's people
and accepting many millions of refugees from eastern Europe and beyond.
Not to mention, the trains run on time and there are a lot of them, too.

Oh yeah, the article states that it is a ban on new IC engines, so I'd guess
there will be a lot of well-maintained old ones on the road for many more years.

murphyslaw October 11th, 2016 08:42

Its a bit early for April Fools day.

Jimmy Coconuts October 11th, 2016 09:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by flee (Post 5155558)
The article states that it is a ban on new IC engines, so I'd guess there will be a lot of well-maintained old ones on the road for many more years.

Yup, I'm picturing all those "classic cars" in Cuba...

HBarlow October 11th, 2016 10:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by flee (Post 5155558)
Actually, in this case, it's called 'planning'. It could also be called facing reality.

Germany lacks much oil but is adding renewable energy at a very fast pace.

Germany is the economic engine powering Europe because of long term planning
that has allowed companies there to build some of the best products on Earth
while adhering to some of the tightest environmental standards anywhere.

Germany does this while providing free education and health care for it's people
and accepting many millions of refugees from eastern Europe and beyond.
Not to mention, the trains run on time and there are a lot of them, too.

Oh yeah, the article states that it is a ban on new IC engines, so I'd guess
there will be a lot of well-maintained old ones on the road for many more years.

I have no interest whatsoever in your wacko politics. Save it for someone else with their head in the clouds.

oilhammer October 11th, 2016 10:12

California tried ramming EVs down their residents' throats a few years back. They mandated every manufacturer that was going to sell new vehicles in that state had to sell a certain percentage of EVs. It was a big deal in the trade magazines, because there is always the fear that a lot of their rules and regulations, like George Clooney's smug cloud, will drift east and become an issue for the rest of us. While sometimes this does happen, thankfully the EV nonsense fizzled pretty quickly.

It did give Californians access to hastily designed and built electric versions of Chevrolet S10s, Ford Rangers, Toyota RAV4, and others. These were of course mostly sold to gov't agencies on taxpayers dimes and I would imagine hardly any are still in use today (although the ICE version of all of these could easily still be in use, many probably are :rolleyes: ).

When the manufacturers realized that nobody was going to guy them, they just decided they would not sell cars in California. Kind of like when the CARB folks would not let Volkswagen sell new TDIs there. So, people that wanted them just paid MORE to buy "used" ones, thus not only thwarting the rules, but also robbing California of sales tax and other dealer revenue.

CARB caved, and in one magazine there was a nice article about an apology from them for such a bonehead move that clearly was doomed to failure. However, the idea was certainly sound. They just needed a little better planning, and really more time for technology to mature. California is WAY behind Germany on that front, in that Germans already tend to buy more economical cars to begin with, and do not have the huge fleet of old cars on the road. SoCal is chock full of old (and I mean OLD, pre-emission control of any kind) cars. If nothing rusts out, and you can still get parts for them, and you do not crash them....

oilhammer October 11th, 2016 10:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy Coconuts (Post 5155591)
Yup, I'm picturing all those "classic cars" in Cuba...


Most of which are powered by Japanese diesel engines from small pickup trucks. ;)

LogicBomb October 11th, 2016 10:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by oilhammer (Post 5155653)
SoCal is chock full of old (and I mean OLD, pre-emission control of any kind) cars. If nothing rusts out, and you can still get parts for them, and you do not crash them....


Well there's more at play than just "what doesn't rust out", all Pre 75 vehicles are SMOG exempted, thus there's a huge user base that modifies vehicles, and can only do so, legally without paying stupid money for CARB EO parts, with a smog exempt vehicle. Even I myself have recently joined this crowd in my Search for a pre-74 BMW 2002.

But I rarely see such cars daily driven on the road. Most are weekend or show cruisers.

GoFaster October 11th, 2016 11:01

This didn't come from a "lawmaker", it came from an advocacy group with no authority.

donDavide October 11th, 2016 11:25

Lunacy, just pure lunacy.

Macradiators.com October 11th, 2016 12:08

clearly a joke. never gonna happen anytime soon.


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