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Chris Bell July 29th, 2001 20:18

1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
Impossible? Not with a Passat wagon.

If you look at the trip odometer reading, it doesn't look very impressive...but the MFA trip computer reading on the left tells the whole story.

http://pics.tdiclub.com/members/chrisbell/1400mi.jpg

1407 miles (2265 km.)
24.19 gal. (91.57 l.)
58.2 MPG

I took a 1000 mile business trip and thought I would try to better my previous records for mileage and cruise distance (49.5 MPG, 1206 miles). I upped tire pressure to 44 PSI, chose a route that I thought would be the flattest (turns out it wasn't the best choice), and slowed down a bit. The results, according to my MFA, were so encouraging that it made a perfect excuse to take another 300 mile trip (thinking that would be as far as the car could go...wrong!).

Since I had a useable 1/2 gallon left at the end, I think that once I install my Upsolute chip and larger diameter tires, and choose a flatter route, I should be able to go 1500 miles (though I'm in no hurry to do this any time soon).

The Passat wagons can't compete with the 5-speed A4s (nor some of the Passat sedans on the Forum) in terms of real world MPG, but their big tanks have certain advantages. I think I have really earned my "Fahrfrumpumpen" sticker!

[ July 29, 2001: Message edited by: Chris Bell ]

Chris Bell July 31st, 2001 08:59

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The only way I could get the mileage up above 50 on this car was to slow down to below the speed limit. I think the wagons are somewhat less aerodynamic than the sedans (as well as slightly heavier)...speed really makes a difference in mileage on this car.

golfstream July 31st, 2001 10:30

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"Unleaded Fuel Only," huh? [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Chris Bell July 31st, 2001 10:36

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mel Knott:
"Unleaded Fuel Only," huh? [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here's why

Dubbs July 31st, 2001 13:24

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Chris , those numbers are great. I love the range on our sedan. All though I don't have quite the range that you have, it is still pretty good.
I love that MFA on your wagon. Hopefully if I find a wrecked GLX around here I might try the conversion.
Dan

dieseldorf July 31st, 2001 13:39

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Chris, that's cool! Certainly worthy of a spot in the Guiness Book of World Records.

I don't think too many other cars can do that let alone half that range!!

Tom

GANZGUT August 9th, 2001 09:58

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chris Bell:
I think the wagons are somewhat less aerodynamic than the sedans (as well as slightly heavier)...speed really makes a difference in mileage on this car.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No question speed affects milage. I notice this with my Passat sedan- above 70, the fuel really goes down big time. Drive it more conservatively, 60-65, and I usually pick up 3-4 miles per gallon.

I'll post some real world Passat numbers on fuel economy from my 2000+ mile trip to Montana and back soon.

Nice MFA, BTW.

TDIBill April 29th, 2002 00:53

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That makes the 1000.3 miles I got a while ago in my sedan pale by comparison....... [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Andrew G. April 30th, 2002 18:16

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Funny how you could be driving a Passat TDI - with a "Unleaded Fuel Only" warning on the dash...

Don't worry I "believe" you though...

Chris Bell April 30th, 2002 19:30

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Quote:

Originally posted by Andrew G.:
Funny how you could be driving a Passat TDI - with a "Unleaded Fuel Only" warning on the dash...
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ah yes, but if you looked really closely, you'd also notice the glow plug indicator light in the right hand bank of LEDs and non-stock tachometer markings with a 4700 RPM redline (not visible in this picture). How can that be, you ask? The answer, as previously posted, is that this car has a hybrid instrument cluster (part GLX, part TDI). The details are in my article on doing a B4 MFA conversion (which has a better picture of the tach).

By the way, TDIBill, sorry to hear about your car.
If it isn't recovered, maybe that will just mean you are destined for an even nicer sedan or wagon that Leonard will find for you!

[ April 30, 2002, 19:48: Message edited by: Chris Bell ]

hamilgs May 1st, 2002 20:52

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
Chris: I've the same car types as you! Several questions please:

1. I've been afraid to run the tank too low, and so I've only been 1050 miles or so on about 25 US gallons. What trouble will I get into if I run it till it stumbles? I could keep a small can of diesel I have in the back. I've always been told, and tell my spouse & #1 daughter "don't run it dry!"

2. The pix indicates that you have a steering wheel cover installed. Whom did you get it from, and how pleased are you with it?

3. What larger diameter tires are you considering? Are you planning to keep the stock 14" rims? I've considered going to a 195/70 or 75 series tires, and wondered about wheel well clearance.

Chris Bell May 2nd, 2002 05:20

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Hamlings, I don't recommend running it till it stumbles. I did it once by accident, and shut it down immediately, but did have a container of diesel on hand to fill up the fuel filter before restarting. But at least I now know the "effective" tank capacity.

The steering wheel cover is by Wheelskins (widely available...I got mine from a local auto parts store), and I love it. The wheel is now just the right thickness and the feel of leather rather than plastic is sublime. Other than the MFA, its the most satisfying improvement I've made to the car.

I have 195/65-15s (about 7% larger OD than stock) on the '97 sedan without clearance problems.

Rodg Petersen May 2nd, 2002 16:25

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OK OK I'll bite. I just bought a '96 from Leonard, great car, and I thought they had an 18.5 gallon tank. what's with 25 gallons??
Sounds just right to me though [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
Rodg

Chris Bell May 2nd, 2002 17:07

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Both sedans and wagons are officially listed as having 18.5 gal. tank, but the wagons have a larger overflow tank than the sedans, so that when you fill up using the "vent trick", the sedans will hold about 20.5 gals and the wagons about 25 gals.

octafish March 27th, 2003 14:46

1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
was that using unleaded diesel? http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

jettajim April 1st, 2003 10:09

1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
That's damn good but.....so far, I have 56k miles on 1 tank http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

MORE_MPG April 7th, 2003 19:31

1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
Hi Chris,
- At times like this I have to admit that my plate is in comparison to other cars, not some TDI's.
- I have almost gotten to 1200, but have lost patience.
- If you get those larger diameter tires you will have to switch to a "odometer" that doesn't use the tires like a GPS. You will acutally go farther, but the car's odometer won't tell you that.
- Are your sedan's 15" wheels alloy or steel?
- Nice job on the MPT!

Chris Bell April 10th, 2003 11:56

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Ben, I tried the larger tires (on aluminum wheels) and didn't like the result and went back to stock 14" wheels/tires. There actually wasn't a problem with inaccurate odometer/speedometer because I installed a little device that modifies the distance signal to the instrument cluster and renders the speedo/odo accurate regardless of tire size.

itsmejerry April 10th, 2003 17:46

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Quote:

because I installed a little device that modifies the distance signal to the instrument cluster and renders the speedo/odo accurate regardless of tire size.


WHAT IS IT!!!!!!??????????
um.. sorry.. ah-- an little device to the instrument cluster, hmm... you don't say... So, what kind of instrument is it?

SwimmerDave April 11th, 2003 06:55

1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
Congrats !! This is truly impressive. 1400 miles is Chicago-Atlanta round-trip !!

Chris Bell April 11th, 2003 13:30

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Quote:

an little device to the instrument cluster, hmm... you don't say... So, what kind of instrument is it?

Its an adjustable pulse frequency adaptor that modifies the VSS (Vehicle Speed Sensor) signal which drives the speedo/odo.

truav8r April 11th, 2003 18:26

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Quote:


Its an adjustable pulse frequency adaptor that modifies the VSS (Vehicle Speed Sensor) signal which drives the speedo/odo.

ok, I'll bite... and where does one get an adjustable pulse frequency adapter?? Does not sound like something on the shelf at Wallyworld, or at the stealership for that matter.

Chris Bell April 12th, 2003 07:56

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Here is the pulse frequency adaptor.

Rico567 June 13th, 2003 12:27

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"..speed really makes a difference in mileage on this car. "

Speed makes a difference in mileage with every car; at least it has with every car we've ever owned. This difference is easily observed by tracking the mileage patterns of my wife and I. Our current "family car" is a 2001 SAAB 9-5 wagon. If I'm driving, it's usually about 10 over, 75 mph, and it's getting 27-28. If she's driving it's about or a bit under the limit, and it'll get 33-34. One time I was driving back from Ohio and was in heavy rain most of the way, and had to slow down- sure enough, my mileage jumped up to the high figure. It's been like that with most of the cars we've owned, possibly not as dramatic a difference, but there.

spifflifkin July 23rd, 2003 21:44

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Quote:

that when you fill up using the "vent trick",

How's that work?


MITBeta July 24th, 2003 15:27

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Quote:

How's that work?

Just about as well as the search function http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

spifflifkin July 24th, 2003 17:31

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Thanks MITBeta! I appreciate you taking the time to help out. http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

MITBeta July 24th, 2003 17:55

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My pleasure! You know what they say, give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime... http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Denver_Diesel July 30th, 2003 07:22

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I'm skeptical. If you figure a vented tank is 16 gallons, that comes out to 87.5 miles per gallon. It is not an impossible figure I guess, but you would have to be driving the with a nice tailwind the whole way, probably downhill the whole way, and with the best summer diesel fuel out there. I just finished a long road trip and I was driving pretty conservatively, and had favorable to average weather. My best leg was 54 mpg. I suspect that your universal speedometer signal interface is not calibrated correctly. After all, as far as I can tell, this gadget takes in a pulse rate (the "speed signal") and spits out a different one that allows you to recalibrate for tire size or gearing changes. .....

correction...

just noticed it is a passat wagon with a BIG gas tank. I was thinking it was a jetta tdi. making more sense now....good job!

Buchu February 5th, 2004 08:46

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[ QUOTE ]
Impossible? &lt;P&gt;1407 miles (2265 km.)&lt;BR&gt;24.19 gal. (91.57 l.)&lt;BR&gt;58.2 MPG&lt;P&gt;I took a 1000 mile business trip and thought I would try to better my previous records for mileage and cruise distance (49.5 MPG, 1206 miles). I upped tire pressure to 44 PSI, chose a route that I thought would be the flattest (turns out it wasn't the best choice), and slowed down a bit. The results, according to my MFA, were so encouraging that it made a perfect excuse to take another 300 mile trip (thinking that would be as far as the car could go...wrong!).&lt;P&gt;Since I had a useable 1/2 gallon left at the end, I think that once I install my Upsolute chip and larger diameter tires, and choose a flatter route, I should be able to go 1500 miles (though I'm in no hurry to do this any time soon).&lt;P&gt;The Passat wagons can't compete with the 5-speed A4s (nor some of the Passat sedans on the Forum) in terms of real world MPG, but their big tanks have certain advantages. I think I have really earned my "Fahrfrumpumpen" sticker!&lt;p&gt;[ July 29, 2001: Message edited by: Chris Bell ]

[/ QUOTE ]

Bah... with my Fiat Stilo 1.9 JTD 115HP and not only by regular highway, I do: 1200km (50 lt of Diesel Fuel)!!!

And now, with new MJTD 1.9 140cv I think is more difficult for TDI!!

TDI is more noise than JTD, and just a little expensive.

Hi all

Rammstein February 5th, 2004 15:57

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[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Impossible? &lt;P&gt;1407 miles (2265 km.)&lt;BR&gt;24.19 gal. (91.57 l.)&lt;BR&gt;58.2 MPG&lt;P&gt;I took a 1000 mile business trip and thought I would try to better my previous records for mileage and cruise distance (49.5 MPG, 1206 miles). I upped tire pressure to 44 PSI, chose a route that I thought would be the flattest (turns out it wasn't the best choice), and slowed down a bit. The results, according to my MFA, were so encouraging that it made a perfect excuse to take another 300 mile trip (thinking that would be as far as the car could go...wrong!).&lt;P&gt;Since I had a useable 1/2 gallon left at the end, I think that once I install my Upsolute chip and larger diameter tires, and choose a flatter route, I should be able to go 1500 miles (though I'm in no hurry to do this any time soon).&lt;P&gt;The Passat wagons can't compete with the 5-speed A4s (nor some of the Passat sedans on the Forum) in terms of real world MPG, but their big tanks have certain advantages. I think I have really earned my "Fahrfrumpumpen" sticker!&lt;p&gt;[ July 29, 2001: Message edited by: Chris Bell ]

[/ QUOTE ]

Bah... with my Fiat Stilo 1.9 JTD 115HP and not only by regular highway, I do: 1200km (50 lt of Diesel Fuel)!!!

And now, with new MJTD 1.9 140cv I think is more difficult for TDI!!

TDI is more noise than JTD, and just a little expensive.

Hi all

[/ QUOTE ]

No other car will go 2000 + km than the B4's, not one! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I've got a tank of 2154.7 and 2120 km to my first year driving the TDI (it was last summer; there are 2 threads about each).

I'll beat Mr Bell next summer, don't worry about it! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

LuisUy2004 May 26th, 2004 06:49

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Really amazing! I wonder how fast do you drive to get those figures, 60 mph (100 kph)? Or even less? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Rammstein May 26th, 2004 07:32

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90 kph [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Chris Bell May 26th, 2004 08:46

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Wow! 26,978 views...that's got to be a Forum record.

Rammstein May 26th, 2004 09:41

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Yeap, moreover that there's a link on the front page... [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Rammstein May 26th, 2004 09:42

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Here you go, 27000, and the last 3 are from me! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

2RENU July 14th, 2004 08:27

1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
Hi i am wondering one thing,

how are you sure that your hybrid GLX / TDI instrument cluster is fully accurate and calibrated correctly ?

Chris Bell July 14th, 2004 08:53

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The odometer (and distance values in the MFA) were checked on a speedometer dyno and were right on. That was the easy part.

The hard part is calibrating the ECM's fuel consumption signal for the MFA. Well, not difficult just very, very time-comsuming. And it has to re-done if you change fuel types (i.e, petro to B20, or B20 to B100). This fact really encourages you to stick with one fuel type.

Lug_Nut July 18th, 2004 14:44

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Just a quick update on my first full tank on my B4 wagon:
I'm now at over 900 miles with an indicated 10 gallons remaining, and on B100 no less!

Rammstein July 19th, 2004 00:05

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My prediction is that you will run out of fuel before you hit the bottom of your gauge... http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Lug_Nut July 19th, 2004 05:10

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I suspect that I'll chicken out before then.
The gauge has begun the more rapid descent that began at about 10 "gallons" indicated on my two prior sedans. I had been attaining 100 miles per two "gallons" on the gauge. Now it's about 80.
Fourteen hundred miles is still a possibility, but I don't think I want to try THAT hard, not yet anyway.
Chris was right, I'll get over 1300, but I now seriously think that 1400 is not going to happen this first fill-up.
I may make a serious attempt sometime after getting a needed front end alignment and changing out the low profile tires I presently have for something that rolls more easily.
Or maybe next time I'll just pump these up to 40 or 44 lbs.

Lug_Nut July 20th, 2004 03:13

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UNCLE! I concede!
I'm just over 1200 miles with just four gallons indicated remaining. I *could* try for the 1400 mile benchmark, but have decided against it (chickened out) at this time. I'll be at about 1275 miles by the time I get home tonight, just a shade over 2000 km, and I'll add some fuel.
It's now obvious to me that the key is conservative driving from the beginning of the tank and not depending on the volume alone to be sufficient means of attaining the distance. My next attempt, and I expect that I will try again, will be more serious than this first foray into mileage marathon madness. I'll put on the narrower, lower resistance tires and keep their pressure up closer to the maximum. I'll avoid running the A/C. I'll behave in the speed department.
Until then Chris and David deserve the accolades and my envy.

Chris Bell July 20th, 2004 07:54

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JB, why don't you use this opportunity to check the tank capacity and the gauge calibration (i.e., where "empty" really is)? You're probably carrying around a quart of B100, new fuel filter, and funnel already in case your filter plugs up with petro residue, right? Why not either run it till it begins to sputter or do short runs close to your fillup location, shutting the engine off between runs? When startup time becomes lengthy, you know you're at the dregs. For my wagon, when I shut the engine off, then restart it fairly soon thereafter and the startup time is noticeably longer, I'll run "dry" within 10-20 miles.

Letting it run dry is not ideal, I know, but if you shut it down at the first indication of sputter and manually fill the filter before restarting, I don't think it does any harm, especially w/ B100.

Rammstein July 20th, 2004 09:51

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Jonathan, my B4V doesn't wanna start when there's less than 1 litre left in the tank. http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

VelvetFoot July 20th, 2004 10:53

1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
My Beetle does that too, although it no longer has a check valve in the line from the pickup.

Lug_Nut July 21st, 2004 06:08

1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
Thirteen hundred eight point two miles, that's all I managed. I sputtered out this morning with an indicated gallon remaining. The fuel gauge needle was not much lower than it was before I started filling a week ago. I had thought that there were two or three in the tank when I put in just over 25 gallons back then, but that is not how it now appears.
I poured in 5 gallons from the jug I had carried and the needle moved up to just under 8 gallons indicated. But the needle doesn't move much above 18 indicated even when vented. The fuel filter wasn't empty. It accepted only a quick squirt from the primer bottle I had also brought along.
So... Let's presume that the tank was nearly empty before I filled and vented a week ago. I put in just over 25 gallons, right in line with other owner's vented volumes.
That puts my consumption at right around 50 mpg, hardly surprising considering that I drove no differently than I had in either of the sedans. The nice thought is that I might be able to attain the same high 70~ low 80 mpg figures I would get from those when I drove accordingly.
Anyone bored and want to go for 2,000 miles, (not km.) per tank?
I'll pull the cluster out and reposition the fuel gauge needle to more accurately indicate the low tank volume remaining at the loss of accuracy when filled to the top.

VelvetFoot July 21st, 2004 06:12

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You should be able to calibrate the fuel gauge with Vag-Com.

Chris Bell July 21st, 2004 06:46

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Quote:

You should be able to calibrate the fuel gauge with Vag-Com.

A4s only.

VelvetFoot July 21st, 2004 06:54

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Oooops.

Rammstein July 21st, 2004 06:54

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Quote:

Thirteen hundred eight point two miles, that's all I managed. I sputtered out this morning with an indicated gallon remaining. The fuel gauge needle was not much lower than it was before I started filling a week ago. I had thought that there were two or three in the tank when I put in just over 25 gallons back then, but that is not how it now appears.
I poured in 5 gallons from the jug I had carried and the needle moved up to just under 8 gallons indicated. But the needle doesn't move much above 18 indicated even when vented. The fuel filter wasn't empty. It accepted only a quick squirt from the primer bottle I had also brought along.
So... Let's presume that the tank was nearly empty before I filled and vented a week ago. I put in just over 25 gallons, right in line with other owner's vented volumes.
That puts my consumption at right around 50 mpg, hardly surprising considering that I drove no differently than I had in either of the sedans. The nice thought is that I might be able to attain the same high 70~ low 80 mpg figures I would get from those when I drove accordingly.
Anyone bored and want to go for 2,000 miles, (not km.) per tank?
I'll pull the cluster out and reposition the fuel gauge needle to more accurately indicate the low tank volume remaining at the loss of accuracy when filled to the top.

Velvetfoot, our cluster isn't regulated by the ECU.

Jonathan, all we have to do is to move the needle manually to get the gauge where we want it to be? http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/3185/10...n_question.gif

Mine doesn't go all the way up to above 70 when full.

So all I would have to do is to move it to above 70 next time I fill up and that would do the trick?http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/3185/10...n_question.gif

That'd be cool if true! http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/3185/10804icon_thumb.gif

VelvetFoot July 21st, 2004 06:57

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Perhaps it is a stop gap solution however, and there is a problem with the fuel level sender. There has to be risk in taking apart the cluster and repositioning the needle(there would be if I did it!).

Rammstein July 21st, 2004 07:00

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Our cluster is ok to take apart.

Jonathan, what do you think about my idea (he sold me this cluster BTW)? http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Chris Bell July 21st, 2004 07:35

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The press-fit of the needles on their spindles can be great enough to cause the servo motor casing halves to separate before the needles will pull off. See my MFA article for details

Rammstein July 21st, 2004 08:32

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I'll have to try the calibration Chris.

I understand how it works for the speedo and tach, but for the fuel gauge, what do you see on the odometer exactly? http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Chris Bell July 21st, 2004 08:54

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No, the fuel gauge is just eyeball calibration.

And while you're in there, why don't you install the MIL?

Joshinthecity December 7th, 2004 05:16

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You guys are carrying a small amout of diesel in a container in the car , right?
Mind if I ask what kind of container you're using for this, and weather it can sit for months or needs to have the fumes released due to sloshing ?
Josh

Rammstein December 7th, 2004 09:28

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
Sometimes I carry one, others not...

No pressure is build in with diesel in a container, at least not a lot.

I use a nice yellow container that says DIESEL on it! http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Thunder1 December 14th, 2004 09:32

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1400 miles on one tank of fuel?......I always that that was horsey poo poo poo......

Rammstein December 14th, 2004 10:26

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Always thought maybe.

Well, it's for real. I'm #2.... http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Thunder1 December 16th, 2004 08:44

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Easy there.......you got me........t-h-o-u-g-h-t......kinda typed it up quick.......

Wow......there's two of you full of crap.....now I believe ya......I didn't think I would have to repeat this but........POOOOOOOO PO PO. Have a good one.

Xgaz December 16th, 2004 10:22

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Quote:

there's two of you full of crap.....

uh-ohh...thems fightin words......

hskrdu December 16th, 2004 11:35

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Quote: "uh-ohh...thems fightin words......"

No need to fight!
Thunder1 has announced his disbelief, I suggest he fly to Montreal and Rammstein can drive them both back to Idaho. Montreal to Nampa is about 2,650 miles, so they can stop for fuel once, maybe in Minneapolis. They can post trip updates for all of us to follow, as they discuss CANAM politics and bioD. I can already see the McLean's article, or perhaps a nice little writeup in the next VW Driver magazine. When they hit 1401 miles, Thunder promises to apologize, and buys lunch. I'll even reimburse Ramm for fuel if you can pick me up a Grant Hart CD in Minn. It will be great! http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Chris Bell December 17th, 2004 05:03

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Quote:

there's two of you full of crap.....

Have pity on this guy...he's just envious. He drives a NB automatic, the TDI with the lowest theoretical cruising range. If he's hitting the EPA highway number, he's got a cruising range of a meager 700 miles, vented.

I, too, would be envious of someone who owns a larger, heavier, roomier car with better aerodynamics, a more fuel efficient drivetrain, and a fuel tank that holds 9 more gallons.

VelvetFoot December 17th, 2004 06:33

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Quote:

a fuel tank that holds 9 more gallons

ummmm.... I think that's the key. http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

jck66 December 17th, 2004 06:54

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
Chris has a big one! hee hee hee ... http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Lug_Nut December 17th, 2004 13:10

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
What would have happened had I not had to dilute the few remaining gallons of B100 in my tank when the weather turned cold? I was *that* close to my own 1400 mile mark. Would anyone believe 1400 miles on zero petrodiesel?

Rammstein December 17th, 2004 13:12

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No. http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

William J Toensing December 19th, 2004 02:43

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
Although I didn't get the MPG a TDI gets, I was able to routinly drive from LA to Mpls., Minn. on one fill up with enough fuel remaining to drive around Mpls. for a week before refueling. This was with my 1985 Mazda 626 diesel in which I had the spare tire well cut out &amp; an extra 18 gallon fuel tank installed. Carried the spare in the trunk. I could drive well into Nebraska but would usually fuel up in eastern Wyo. as diesel was cheaper there. Wish I still had that car. I also still have a 1979 Citroen CX diesel which averages around 31 to 33 MPG. However, I once entered an economy run in the later '80s &amp; won the contest with 53 MPG with this car by pumping the tires up to 50# psi &amp; practicing economy run driving techniques. Don't like to drive that way, though.

Lug_Nut December 20th, 2004 12:13

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
Sounds reasonable. "Normal" driving mileage is increased 65% when driven for economy. Worked to get the CX from 32 to 53, worked for me to get the TDI from 50 to 83.

Thunder1 December 21st, 2004 11:54

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AH-HAHA........thanks for all of the laughs guys. I enjoyed this thread. And, hey newbie, dream on, you'll never get a lunch or an apology out of me for expressing my opinion......and to everyone else, anyone would have a decent cruising range with 24 gallons.....but to get 58 mpg with those 24 gallons......sorry I don't think so. Don't be alarmed, it really is OK for me to doubt this claim......THE SUN WILL RISE IN THE MORNING. If there weren't any doubts this would be a boring thread. Have a Merry Christmas all.

Chris Bell December 21st, 2004 14:58

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
Envy is a harsh mistress.

Lug_Nut December 21st, 2004 18:00

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"Hi,
I drive a New Beetle with the worst coefficient of drag AND it's an automatic. I can't get as far on a gallon of fuel as you can, therefore I say that you can't."

Poor Thunder, You just don't know, do you. A steady 60 mph will return 60 mpg.
Drop the speed to 55 and the mileage goes up to 65.
Nowhere to go and no deadline to get there? A steady 45 mph will return in excess of 75 mpg.
Not in a N-B.
Not in an automatic.
But the cliche "been there, done that" holds true for me and my Passats.

VelvetFoot December 21st, 2004 18:11

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
I've gotten 57 mpg in my 2000 5-speed Beetle a bunch of times - like all summer. Now is another story, but I still haven't gone under 50 mpg this winter.

There is nothing special about your Passats. http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

New Beetles Rule!!

Chris Bell December 21st, 2004 18:15

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
Thunder1, have you hit the magic 50 yet? Thunder1's initial mileage (Notice the change in tone from then to now).

dubvulture December 21st, 2004 19:57

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
You don't believe in 58 mpg, but you do believe in Christmas? Hmmmm... http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Rammstein December 22nd, 2004 09:25

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
It's 25.1 gallons Thunder and yes it's possible! http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Thunder1 December 22nd, 2004 09:41

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
Wow. No envy just doubt. Read my old post again. It was a 1.5 years ago and I was experimenting. Even if I didn't post the results of my experimenting one could deduce that I did not see a drastic increase fuel economy that some folks claimed that I would see......so YEAH, there is definitely a change in tone from then (optimism) to now (doubt).....ground breaking find CB. Even with the lower speeds and the difference in drag bewteen the NB and the Passat.....I'm still not convinced.....too drastic of an increase in fuel economy. Move on. I plan to.

I sense that some folks might be losing sleep over this portion of the thread....that wasn't my intention....I've seen those Passat mpg claims ever since I became a member and I always have had doubts. I just couldn't hold my tongue any longer.

Let's see.....58mpg......Christmas......58mpg........
Christmas.....hmmm....gee......let me think........uh.......get real.

Once again, Merry Chrstmas and Happy New Year.

dubvulture December 22nd, 2004 10:19

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
I am real. It's Santy Claus that is not. Happy Festivus! http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Thunder1 December 22nd, 2004 10:57

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
dub - Who said anything about Santa Clause? Not me. Merry Christmas.

rammstein - I was quoting the first post which stated 24.19 gallons for that Passat. So you used 25.1 gallons..........whatever.......insignificant to the doubters.

Have a good one guys.

dubvulture December 22nd, 2004 13:38

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
I thought Christmas was Santa Clause's birthday? Anyway, I'm only goofing around. I believe it's possible to achieve the mpg's these guys are claiming. I can get 49.5 mpg out of my PD 5 speed without really trying. I will try driving a whole tank at 55mph or under to see how far into the 50's I can get. Now I just need a bigger fuel tank. http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Thunder1 December 22nd, 2004 15:39

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
dub - thanks for the pleasant post.......I'm just playing around also. It's hard not to tease certain fellas on here especially when they take these things way too serious. Take it easy.

Chris Bell December 22nd, 2004 21:07

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
Well, I've actually been teasing you, too, about being envious. I know you're not; you're just skeptical and healthy skepticism is a plus, as you said, and perfectly understandable in this case. The only thing I objected to was the tone of your second post. I thought it went a bit further into the personal than was warranted...but I might have misread that.

In any case, the bottom line is that what we all have in common, these marvelously engineered cars, bind us more than trivial disagreements about things like cruising range divide us.

Rammstein December 22nd, 2004 21:45

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
Hey Chris, maybe all he needed is to search for my user name in this very forum...hours of delicious reading...

You know what I'm talking about: tank per tank pictures of fill ups.

Thunder1, do a search for my username under this forum (don't look at all my posts, there are too many, around 5500 now) and you'll find pictures prooving us right. http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

DareDiesel December 23rd, 2004 01:11

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
I have my fingers in my ears! I'm not listening to your "big fish story" claims! Lalalala!

Oh Dang! This is an internet forum. It's text. I should have covered my eyes!

http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

hskrdu December 23rd, 2004 09:58

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
Hmmm, Thunder1 was just teasing and all. Ok, didn't sound like it, but I can accept it.

His first post said our Passat buddies were full of "it." The second told this "Newbie" to dream on! (BTW, Thunder, I'm five months after you on this forum- and THAT's registration date, let's not count the 18 months of lurking, nor the "only owned Volkswagens since my '65 Beetle." I guess this nooB must not be posting enough expressions of doubt about other pople's MPG claims to get my Veteran status! http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif).

More to the point, I didn't dare suggest you apologize for expressing your doubt or skepticism (opinion). I joked that you should put your money (lunch) where your mouth (doubt) is! I suggested that you apologize (and buy lunch) once the two of you hit 1400 miles on your journey- If you fuel up at 1200, then lunch is on Ramm. I didn't much expect you to go for it, but please don't misrepresent my statement. You are entitled to your opinion, doubt, and skepticism. At the same time you might want to allow the source of your skepticism a chance to prove themselves (again).

Oh, and I'm sorry your NB auto has caused these feelings. Maybe trade it in for a B3 Passat Wagon? http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

mrGutWrench December 23rd, 2004 10:32

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Quote:

Well, I've actually been teasing you, too, about being envious. (snip)

__. Well, I'm envious, too. I'd LOVE to have a 25 gallon tank. I'm up to nearly a 57 MPG lifetime average and frequently get 60 MPG+ tanks -- my best is 62.4 MPG. If I had a 25 gallon tank, I could get better than 1500 miles on a tank! Gotta love the manual transmission!
'

Thunder1 December 23rd, 2004 11:16

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
CB - Thanks for seeing through all of the jokes. I apologize if you misunderstood the tone of my second post. I really didn't feel I was getting personal. I understand that it's hard to get a feel for someone's personality by reading a few posts. Maybe for some out there I should have put smiley face icons on my posts to prevent feelings from being hurt or people getting offended.

As I look back at the thread, it's kinda funny....rammstein's post after my first post was I little snobby (maybe I misunderstood).......and I just couldn't help but volley back with the reponse I gave. Again, nothing personal.

I will always have my doubts about these Passat claims, but I whole heartedly agree with your CB's statement:

Quote:

In any case, the bottom line is that what we all have in common, these marvelously engineered cars, bind us more than trivial disagreements about things like cruising range divide us.

I really like my NB TDI and at times in the past I was very fanatical about it, almost turning it into a hobby, and a great hobby it would be because these cars are sweet machines........logging fuel economy in Excel, thinking of getting a vag-com, maybe brewing biodiesel, ecu chipping, bigger injectors, the works, etc, etc................then I met HARLEY-DAVIDSON........ http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Have a good one guys.

Chris Bell December 23rd, 2004 12:31

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
Quote:



I really like my NB TDI and at times in the past I was very fanatical about it, almost turning it into a hobby, and a great hobby it would be because these cars are sweet machines........logging fuel economy in Excel, thinking of getting a vag-com, maybe brewing biodiesel, ecu chipping, bigger injectors, the works, etc, etc................then I met HARLEY-DAVIDSON........ http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Amen to TDI fanaticism. Mine was put to the test when I acquired a beautiful blue M3 convertible a couple of years ago.

I live in a town blessed with about 320 days of "top down" weather a year and have a 2-car garage. Guess which car gets parked outside (I have 2 Passats) and sits undriven for weeks at a time? Yep, the M3. Now I know that REALLY strains credibility, but its true (or at least I'm claiming its true http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif). I think this qualifies me as either a TDI fanatic or just plain stupid, I'm not sure which!

VelvetFoot December 23rd, 2004 12:34

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
Our 325ci also is undriven for weeks at a time. It, however, resides in the garage (as well as the Beetle http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif ).

Rickstah March 23rd, 2005 22:19

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
KABUMP! Dang i'd kiss Richard Simmons (on the cheek) for a tank that size. Has anyone managed to refit a larger tank into vehicles with the nominal 14 gallon tanks?

tgriz April 24th, 2005 09:21

1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
Hello,

I'm very impressed. Do you have a stock fuel tank? Is that 25 gallons? ... if my math is correct.

A second question, could you give me a feel for the TDI fuel economy when new vs. broken in, and about how long was the break-in period.

Thanks.

Tom

Chris Bell April 25th, 2005 02:38

1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
Your math is correct.

Can't help you with break-in vs. post break-in mileage (both of my TDIs were pre-owned), but others will probably chime in on this.

mudshark June 22nd, 2005 18:47

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
What's the "vent trick?"

Audi5000td June 22nd, 2005 18:58

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
Mudshark...

See FAQ's and you should get your answer.

dec942 June 29th, 2005 21:26

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
How would that 1400 miles per tank be possible? What was done to the car to reach that?

BleachedBora June 29th, 2005 22:54

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
It is called a B4 Wagon...ergo 25 gallon tank. Read the post.
-BB

Lug_Nut June 30th, 2005 07:38

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
Quote:

How would that 1400 miles per tank be possible? What was done to the car to reach that?

Two things:
1, fill it.
2, drive it.

I've had two consecutive, filled to the brim tankfulls since May. One returned 1401 miles, the next 1374 miles. I didn't run dry on either. Some small, unknown amount of fuel was still in the tank each time. In hind sight I think that the second one could have gone close to 1450 miles.
What is the upper limit to distance on one tankfull? My opinion is that almost 1,800 miles is not an unreasonable estimation.

VelvetFoot June 30th, 2005 07:47

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
Just please don't let me be in the same car! http://forums.tdiclub.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

tdidieselguard August 15th, 2005 15:17

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
What am i doing wrong as i seem to be missing out on about 900 miles!

VelvetFoot August 15th, 2005 15:20

Re: 1400 miles (2254 km.) on 1 tank!!
 
You don't have an old Passat wagon.


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