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tnp March 25th, 2008 12:59

BSFC (Brake Specific Fuel Consumption)
 
Being a newbie, I've been reading a lot of threads. There are many mentions to the most efficient range of the RPM curve. A little Googling ran me into some neat terms: BSFC (Brake Specific Fuel Consumption) being the most interesting. I've seen graphs of BSFC vs Engine RPM vs Torque, and BFSC vs BMEP (Break Mean Effective Pressure, or Engine Load) for various engines - but not ours...

Using the minimum fuel for the power produced should equate to the highest fuel economy. While I appreciate the different posts that users state where they believe those points are, it would be great to see some actual data. This would validate a lot of things, such as what really are the best shift points (under various conditions), how quickly to accelerate, among other things. Then, one could use VAG-COM to validate these assumptions and even calculate/predict the best shift points and acceleration modes under particular conditions.

Does anyone have these for a Beetle TDI 1.9L? Or, would anyone know how we can get this?

Thank you! :o

Bob_Fout March 25th, 2008 14:08

There is a chart of what you are wanting around here somewhere.....

Bob_Fout March 25th, 2008 14:16

Found it. DBW had it in his pics.

http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/503/136...H_circleda.JPG

nokivasara March 25th, 2008 14:21

That confirms whatīs been discussed many times, these cars are most fuel efficient at 55mph.

Edit: The BSFC is always at peak torque, isnīt it?

Bob_Fout March 25th, 2008 14:22

Who drives that slow anymore though :-\

nokivasara March 25th, 2008 14:24

I think the car runs great at 120kph, and thatīs where I set the CC

Bob_Fout March 25th, 2008 14:25

Ya, at 70 MPH and up it feels good.

flatopete March 25th, 2008 14:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by nokivasara
I think the car runs great at 120kph, and thatīs where I set the CC

Indeed, the cars do run just fine/great at ~75 mph and faster. I drove a BMW 530d at about 130mph (210kph) on the Autobahn in Bavaria and it also felt just fine and "ran great" but certainly wasn't as efficent as it could be. I've only ever driven that fast in Germany late at night. The rest of the time I spent on the highways was "with the flow" at about 80mph (70 - 90 average and of course some care are slower).

dubvulture March 25th, 2008 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob_Fout
Who drives that slow anymore though :-\

45 to 55 mph for approx. 18 miles every morning. Of course that's at 3:00 AM and on a stretch of rural highway where the speed limit is 45. It's fuel efficient and it makes it easier to dodge all the deer here in PA!:D

nokivasara March 25th, 2008 14:42

But if you were driving faster youīd be past the deer before it runs up on the road!

dubvulture March 25th, 2008 14:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by nokivasara
But if you were driving faster youīd be past the deer before it runs up on the road!

LOL! A lot of trucks run the same road and you should see what's left of those deer when they collide. Meat explosions!:eek:

TDIMeister March 25th, 2008 15:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob_Fout

This chart only shows BSFC at full load at the given RPMs. However, nobody drives at full load under normal circumstances.

A more useful map of BSFC over the entire range of operating speeds and loads (BMEP) is below, for an ALH TDI:
http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/500/ALH_TDI_engine_map.png

It can be seen that the minimum BSFC of 197 g/kWh occurs at around 1750 RPM and just shy of the full-load curve. However, a steady cruise, say in 5th gear at that RPM, would be far, far less for a correspondingly higher (worse) BSFC.

TDIMeister March 25th, 2008 15:57

The most economical shift point is the tallest available gear for a given road speed at almost any RPM above 1000 RPM (note the curves of constant BSFC curve back upwards as engine RPMs are reduced closer toward 1000 RPM; this is most noticeable right around 1000 RPM around the 8-10 bar BMEP area.

TDIMeister March 25th, 2008 16:15

A more useful illustration is to superimpose curves of constant power onto a BSFC map (given in the blue curves below):

http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/500/ALH...hyperbolae.png

Each curve represents a constant horsepower developed by the engine. If you are driving on a given road with a constant grade, speed, and ambient conditions, regardless of which gear you are in, it requires roughly the same amount of power to overcome aerodynamic drag, rolling resistance and driveline losses. Therefore, regardless of what gear you're in, you're riding anywhere along the same blue curve; exactly where you sit on that blue curve being only dependent on the gear you're in and therefore the RPM at which the engine is turning over.

If I take the example of operating on a certain speed such that the power is 20 HP, The lowest BSFC occurs when running at the gear that corresponds to about 1250 RPM. If I run at either a higher- or lower RPM from this point, my BSFC will increase. This is about the only point in the entire engine map where it would be disadvantageous to operate at an even higher gear if one were available (lower RPM) because of the worsening BSFC. Almost everywhere else, the lowest BSFC is achieved at the lowest possible RPM at a given power.

TheTDIWagonGuy March 25th, 2008 16:54

Are you sure? ;)

Very interesting!


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