WHAT additives to USE?

SBAtdijetta

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What additives do you use??? For fuel conditioner, and for cetaine...?? what other additives am I missing, and what brands do you use??? Thanks for the advice!!:)
 

HEMIHD

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I use Power Service Diesel Kleen, sometimes I mix it with a gallon of B5, and other times not. I have also used Stanadyne Performance Formula.

Lookaround to see what you can get in your local area. The Stanadyne can also be ordered from TDIParts.com
 

Leadfoot

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Just bought a bottle of Diesel Kleen to try it - what do I use, a funnel or something? Hate to be such a "girl" but hubby's out of town and I've never in my life even bought an additive. Does it matter if it drains down the filler neck or should I just toss it in the general direction of the gas tank? Tia
 

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DON'T let DIESEL KLEEN touch either a painted surface or rubber (tires). If you do dribble, wipe immediately.

I use a minimum of 4 oz. per full tank. I place a funnel into the filler neck. 4 oz. = 4 "glugs" from the 3/4 gal. jug.

Standard glugs, of course. Not the metric ones... :D
 

HEMIHD

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I actually pour a "Serving" into an enpty, dry water bottle at home, take it with me to the station and pour it in before adding the fuel. It's neat, clean and alot easier than the funnel method.
 

HEMIHD

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HEMIHD said:
I actually pour a "Serving" into an enpty, dry water bottle at home, take it with me to the station and pour it in before adding the fuel. It's neat, clean and alot easier than the funnel method.
By the way, I use 8oz per tank
 

uberdiesel

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Vectorer said:
DON'T let DIESEL KLEEN touch either a painted surface or rubber (tires). If you do dribble, wipe immediately.
Wow. Thanks for the warning. I've been using Powerservice Diesel Kleen for months now and have never spilled it on the car... but didn't realize that it could harm the paint.

PS: I use 5oz. (or slightly more) per 15 gallons. Do a search on Stanadyne as well. Many people in the TDI forum like it. It handles water in the diesel a little differently than Diesel Kleen. I'm sure there are other good ones out there... but most people here seem to use the Stanadyne or the Diesel Kleen.
 
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For several years I used Powerservice, but now I use the redline additives. "85+" and "Diesel Fuel Catalyst." 1/2 bottle per tank nets me ~50-70 extra miles, which means that it pays for iteself as well as boosts cetane 6-9 points, reduces smoke, as well as a host of other things.
I bought 3 cases of it for a GTG, if anyone wants some I'll ship it to them for $5/bottle + shipping. If you need any filters it'd be a great time to add it to the list ;)
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uberdiesel

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Leadfoot said:
Just bought a bottle of Diesel Kleen to try it - what do I use, a funnel or something? Hate to be such a "girl" but hubby's out of town and I've never in my life even bought an additive. Does it matter if it drains down the filler neck or should I just toss it in the general direction of the gas tank? Tia
Diesel Kleen stinks pretty bad. It's hard to fumble with a full bottle and a funnel at the pump.

I keep a supply of empty Bossa Nova Acai juice bottles (Try the acai juice! It's great.).

The wide mouth fills easily yet fits without a problem into the tank's filler neck. I pour a measured portion into empty bottles and take one to the station when I refuel.



By the way, the Acai berry is from the Amazon Rain Forest. It is one of the the highest antioxidants known. Save a tree in the rainforest when you buy a bottle AND keep your motor(s) running clean!
 
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wny_pat

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K100d just because the town highway depts in this area swear by it. They quit using the other stuff because they say it did not do what the bottle labels claim.
 

BrianCT

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DieselKleen and PowerService in the winter months. Stanadyne in the spring, summer and fall.

I buy from Danix a case of the ONE SHOT Stanadyne, I have kept the 24 bottles in that case and refill the empty bottles with a special nozzle bought at any parts store - or an auto department at any big box-retailer for $1.75

The nozzle screws onto all three large bottles without spills. I insert the flexible nozzle into each ONE SHOT container and refill without a mishap. These containers assure that if carried in the car they won't ever leak or spill.

An option is to fill the car at home before filling up or after you've filled up... therefore eliminating the chances of a spill.

 

SBAtdijetta

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Question? If I buy the Stanadyne Performance Formula, and get the Case of 6 half gallons, does it store well? Or expire? Thanks, and tdi parts is sold out/ or on back order...

steve
 

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20IndigoBlue02 said:
Over the winter I switched to Primrose stuff. got it from www.lubricationspecialistllc.com (LanduytG)

Takes about an 1 oz, I estimate per tank. Though lazy me, I not religious about doing it every tank... maybe every other tank.
I've also been using Primrose, but I don't need the winter stuff (409) and Greg is not currently offering the 405. If he doesn't get it back in stock soon, I'll have to find another supplier.

I'd much rather use a concentrated product that only requires one ounce per tank of fuel, than some diluted product that takes 5-8 times as much. Especially when Primrose is only about 30 cents/ounce.

I like the cetane boost and the lubricity improvement. I also like the way Primrose handles water in the fuel. It perfectly suits the Cat fuel filter I use, which does not have a water drain.
 

SBAtdijetta

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Thanks for all the help...

Another question! Do thoses of you who use bio still use and additive? If so what bio are you using b5, b20, b99???

I ask this because I want to use an additive(stanadyne) but also want to start useing b5 bio.. This is fine right? If there are no problems with useing the stanadyne with b5, what about b99 is that ok too?:confused: As always thanks for the help!!
 

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I run B5 usually, sometimes up to B11. I also lately have been using Howes Diesel Treat at the recommended summer dosage of ~2 oz per tank. It doesn't have the cetane booster that Power Service contains, but with the low blend of biodiesel I'm running, I find it unnecessary.

And yes, I use the additive even with the low blend of biodiesel. It's still 95 - 89% D2 and helps even more with lubricity and especially anti-gel, not to mention that it's far cheaper per tank than PS. We just had a weeklong cold snap in Illinois (lows in the upper 30s at night) and I could tell the engine was slower on startup than it was 2 weeks ago when temps were up into the mid 70s.

One last thing - you might just want to keep the measuring cup, funnel (an absolute must!) and fuel treatment in the garage at home. I never liked the bottle of PS rolling around in the hatch and it never seals quite well enough for my liking. Just add the fuel treatment when you get home or before you take off the next time. It'll mix just fine with the return line recirculating fuel back to the tank. This way, no need to haul around fuel treatment with you all the time.

scurvy
 

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Stanadyne, Biobor, and BG

Stanadyne performance and lubricity formulas, Biobor biocide, and BG diesel fuel cleaner.



each tank:

3-4 oz. stanadyne performance formula

3-4 oz. stanadyne lubricity formula

every 3,000 miles i use a bottle of BG diesel performance (i add it to the tank when it is below the halfway mark to get a higher concentration). BG makes great products.

every month i add a dose of Biobor biocide to control algae.

BG 248
Maximum Diesel PerformanceBG 248 cleans the entire diesel fuel system including injectors and nozzles to restore maximum fuel atomization. Increases the cetane quality of diesel fuel. Contains BG Diesel Pump Lubricant to protect pump parts from damage or failure due to low-sulfur fuel. Special pour depressant additives isolate wax crystals as they are formed during cold weather and prevent their growing together; thus, fuel flows freely at sub-zero temperatures. BG 248 reduces exhaust smoke, provides smoother and quieter operation, improves fuel economy and restores maximum power and performance to diesel engines. This product is a part of the BG TDC® program.Part No. 248 12 oz. (355 mL) bottle


BG 244 BG 244 quickly and effectively cleans diesel fuel injectors. It removes carbon deposits from combustion chambers, restores performance, smooths engine idle and helps prevent costly repairs. In only a few short miles of driving, engine response is restored! One quart (946 mL) of BG 244 treats 20-40 gallons (75-150 Liters) of diesel fuel. To maintain fuel system cleanliness and engine performance, add BG 244 to fuel tank at 7,500 to 9,000 mile (12,000–14,500 km) intervals. This product is part a of the BG TDC® program.Part No. 24432 32 oz. (946 mL) bottle

Diesel, Fuel and Marine Biocide



Benefits
Biobor® JF is a liquid fuel additive that combats fungus and other microtive life in hydrocarbon fuels, such as diesel and jet fuels, but is also effective in light oils and transmission fluid. Biobor® JF eliminates growth of harmful slime-producing fungi that clog filters and pipelines, attack rubber fuel system components and whose waste products aid in the corrosion of metal surfaces.
Biobor® JF is simple to use and harmless to the wide variety of fuel system parts, top coatings, sealants and elastomeric materials tested. It does not adversely affect fuel performance in engines. Biobor® JF is an effective microbiocide because of its equilibrium solubility in both fuel and water under conditions of fuel storage. Applications
Biobor® JF is used by a large number of aircraft manufacturers, airlines, marines, trucking fleets, railroads, bulk storage terminals, fuel suppliers and by other users of hydrocarbon fuels and oils exposed to the possibility of contamination by fungus and bacteria.
 
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Smokerr

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I use Racor, its about $12 a bottle, it treats 320 gallons (1 oz per 16 gallons which works nicely for the Passat).

Its their conditioner plus (as they are very good about the winter fuel up here, waxing up is not an issue and I do not worry about the pour point others might need to deal with).

It cured the smoking from our crud grade (1,000 ppm sulfur special Alaska exemption fuel-which goes away with ULSD thank all the power that be).

It comes with a little squeeze up dispenser, which I put into a small bottle with a spin on cap (chemical resistant type container with a long neck) I put in about ¾-1 oz. in my carry along bottle oz (typically fuel up at 1/4 tank), but I am not picky about it, a bit more is fine.

Other than temperature related fuel mileage, we did very close to summer values with the additive in the fuel. Soon not to be an issue with ULSD.
 

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Schaeffer's all the way.

The Soy Shield is made with American grown soy oil, and a potent add pack for cleanliness, lubricity, etc. specifically formulated for ULSD.

Neutra is a multipurpose upper cyl lubricant/cleaner/stabilizer. I use it in gas and diesel vehicles, and since it is also an ester based product it works extremely well as a safe engine purge as well. Neutra Plus product is diesel specific and has cetane boost.

Neutra and Soy Shield both work great in our TDI and other diesel powered equipment/vehicles.

http://www.schaefferoil.com/fuel_additives.html
http://www.schaefferoil.com/soy_shield.html
http://www.schaefferoil.com/premium_soy_shield.html
http://www.schaefferoil.com/neutra_plus.html

If you don't know anything about Schaeffers, lurk on Bobistheoilguy.com for a while, you will find them highly recommended by people who are "experts" in the oil circles, FWIW. The guy with the User Name "salesrep" is a dealer for them, and there is also a dealer lookup on the site I believe.

We are also using their Supreme 9000 5w-40 and 7000 15w-40 wngine oils in 01 TDI and Cummins, respectively, along with diesel farm equipment with great luck. There are some UOAs on the bitog.com site with the 9000 in TDIs for your perusal.
 
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I got this from Stanadyne when I asked about shelf life:

"Dear Doug,

THANK YOU for your inquiry! I apologize for the delay in replying to you as I just came across your email filed away as unread.

Unfortunately there is no definitive answer on shelf life since we are not able to duplicate everyone’s environment to accurately measure results. A great deal depends on where you are located geographically, but our standard answer is that as long as Performance Formula is kept in temperate conditions (not subjected to freezing/thawing or extreme heat) and that the container remains sealed and capped, the shelf life is approximately 36 – 42 months. You will notice a darkening of the color as the liquid ages, but the overall efficacy (concentration) of the product should not be diminished. If there is a decrease in the efficacy of the product with age it would affect the entire concentration, not any individual component.

There have been cases such as the one where someone uncovered an old case in their grandfather’s barn and he used that up by alternating with a new bottle every other fill up and he said there was no difference - both provided the benefits he was hoping for.
Unfortunately only the cases themselves are date stamped – our bottler does not have the capability of dated stamping the bottles because the labels are produced at high volumes and the bottling machines just apply the preprinted labels to the bottles.

While many consumers tend to buy in bulk containers believing it to be more economical, those that use the product on a regular year-round basis don’t have concerns as to the shelf life. You usage should dictate the volume that you buy – if you are only going to use it for anti-gelling in the winter, we would recommend that you purchase in quantities that your vehicle would consume during one winter season.

THANKS again for your interest in our products! I hope this information is still of use to you!

Best Regards,
Laura L. Boggs
Customer Support Specialist
Fluid Mgmt Technologies
Stanadyne Corporation
860.525.0821 ext 5325
Customer Support: 800.842.2496
Fax: 860.683.4587
lboggs@stanadyne.com"
 
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