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oilhammer January 6th, 2009 13:29

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Originally Posted by KALaBenne
OH, just out of curiosity, how long does it take you to do this job?

I am sticking with the 8 hours labor charge, same as changing out the chain driven module, and the upgrade takes a few more minutes due to swapping that gear over.

I am not certain but I guess I could get one done start to finish in maybe 5 to 6 hours,not counting time for the sealant to properly cure. I rarely monitor the actual clock time it takes me on big jobs, because I have so many things going on at once during the day I get taken away from big jobs sometimes.

I know I can have the whole deal apart and the old module out on the bench in about 2 hours. It is the going back together that takes some time. Things like cleaning up the mating surfaces on the engine parts, lining up the subframe, filling the coolant, etc. can gobble up lots of time.

MOGolf January 6th, 2009 15:32

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Originally Posted by aja8888
Brian, does it make sense for some of us that are wanting to have this upgrade done to place orders at our local dealerships for these parts now? Even though there is a current lack of these parts in the U.S., is there a chance that by having additional orders placed the parts pipeline may speed up? What could placing of these orders hurt? Just thinking out loud here.

Tony

Your dealership is probably going to want to be paid up front for special order expensive parts like this. I know the one closest to me would require that. You'll also have to have a shop willing to install parts that you bought (unless you're doing the job yourself).

I may be able to do a few here throughout the year, if scheduled in advance and once parts are actually in-hand. I won't put up the money for the parts purchase ahead of time. I can't afford to have people be no-shows and claim that they either sold the car, went someplace else, just changed their minds, or drive off without paying for the parts.

aja8888 January 6th, 2009 17:06

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Originally Posted by MOGolf
Your dealership is probably going to want to be paid up front for special order expensive parts like this. I know the one closest to me would require that. You'll also have to have a shop willing to install parts that you bought (unless you're doing the job yourself).

I may be able to do a few here throughout the year, if scheduled in advance and once parts are actually in-hand. I won't put up the money for the parts purchase ahead of time. I can't afford to have people be no-shows and claim that they either sold the car, went someplace else, just changed their minds, or drive off without paying for the parts.

MoGolf: Thanks, I understand your position, especially when it involves the costly parts and your time. While all your (and Oilhammer's) absolutely great work has been going on, I, and I am sure others monitoring this issue, have been doing our own due diligence on what we may do to help our own situations for getting these upgrades done before we have a much larger problem. I drive a lot in my business and want my car to be at its peak reliability now that we are hearing of more catastropic chain failures. This is absolutely critical to me.

It is apparent that Oilhammer will be booked for a good bit of time and he is "parts constrained" at the moment so we (the folks wanting to get the upgrade soon) need to find other shops/Gurus who can do this upgrade. My intent for getting more parts orders in the pipeline is to forge an additional demand to the supply chain, if that is possible. And I am not sure that the effort will have ANY effect.

I have spoken today with the sales department at World Impex where they now have a list of parts for the module replacement on their website (thanks;) ). Based on their estimates of delivery, it is possible that I can have the kit before the end of this month and I have placed an order this afternoon. I also have a fairly local trusted shop/Guru who is working with me on this upgrade. If all this works out as planned, I will be upgraded and there will be another installer in the south here that can handle this work for others. This is my plan. It may not work, but I have to give it a try. If none of this works out like planned, my wife has family in St. Louis and we may make a visit this spring, with a stop at OH's shop.

From reading these related B5 balance shaft threads, there are efforts on the east coast to do the same as I am trying to accomplish, so I am not alone.

FYI: I went to our local VW dealer here in town, which is quite large BTW, and asked about getting the BS module and related parts. They (parts department) never heard about this upgrade and couldn't find the parts in their system. Now, maybe they didn't look hard enough, and I felt like it was a bother for them to help me. But that is what I got for two hours of my time yesterday. This is not the first time I have been treated this way at that dealership, but it is the last time.

Tony

oilhammer January 6th, 2009 17:31

I would be doing them non-stop if I could. I just am waiting on parts. I did the 2 that I had parts for (after our initial job on MOGolf's car) and now am waiting for more. I have 2 more BS modules, 2 sets of gears, and enough water pumps, timing belts, etc. to choke an elephant. But I do not yet have all the bolts I need.

My current order is 3 more BS modules/gears and the remainder of the bolts. This will allow me to do the 5 I have scheduled in the pipeline, and will be ordering more ASAP.

I also got a bunch of engine mounts, alternator pulleys, hood release pulls, and about 60 liters of G12 and about 75 liters of VW ATF.

...just waiting on Volkswagen :o ...and I just got yet another PM about getting one in.

MOGolf January 6th, 2009 17:39

I understand and fully support your efforts. I thought it should be made clear that people should not go to dealers expecting to order expensive parts without paying until delivery, or landing up with parts but without the ability to have them installed. You've got that situation covered. :)

Neither oilhammer nor myself could possibly fix all the cars, though we would like to do that so we know the job would be done right. If we win a lottery, that might happen, but I have a feeling that getting VW to cover the expense has better odds. ;)

Your experience with the local dealership is why we need places like World Impex to offer all the parts as a "kit". They've got the correct list of parts and quantities. Easy shopping and it doesn't take two hours of frustration.

Lug_Nut January 6th, 2009 18:08

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Originally Posted by oilhammer
...and I just got yet another PM about getting one in.

One 'what' in?
An additional geared BS module:)?
Or, another B5.5 that has thrown it's chain:eek:?

oilhammer January 6th, 2009 18:11

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Originally Posted by Lug_Nut
One 'what' in?
An additional geared BS module:)?
Or, another B5.5 that has thrown it's chain:eek:?

Another noisy one. You know, these B5 TDIs were like hen's teeth when we were shopping for one new in 2004...now they are coming out of the woodwork needing this upgrade done! LOL! :p

Man I wish I could get more parts here faster!!! :mad:

DickSilver January 9th, 2009 10:14

I have ordered the BS kit from Impex today. They said they expect some kits in, on Monday 12 Jan. Of course until the materials actually are in-hand, it's a "check is in the mail" situation. My 2004 B5.5V is just at 101,000 miles, so that with a new timing belt, water pump, etc., make a proper job.

I will use Fast Enough, a VW shop of excellent repute close by here in Lexington KY, to do the work. Maybe now I'll have a car good for lots of future miles!!

oilhammer January 9th, 2009 10:36

Just make sure your shop of choice has the special tools for the job. Not everyone may have them. I didn't.

leicaman January 9th, 2009 10:45

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Originally Posted by oilhammer
Just make sure your shop of choice has the special tools for the job. Not everyone may have them. I didn't.

I am assuming the tools you refer to are the ones as specified in the repair .pdf that MoGolf assembled. These are tools in that .pdf are beyond what a normal timing belt procedure would require, correct?

vw4life January 9th, 2009 12:55

I am curious how the BS gets replaced so it's rotation is timed to the engine so it does indeed balance and not cause an out of balance situation?

MOGolf January 9th, 2009 12:58

Engine is locked at TDC. BS is installed with its lock. The intermediate gear between the crank and BS gears is sized appropriately so that the BS rotates at the proper rpm.

Lug_Nut January 9th, 2009 16:34

One gear, the one on the BS I believe, is slotted.
Crank at TDC, BS at TDC, BS gear loose and free to shift in the slots, install the idler to mesh w/both gears letting the BS gear rotate while the BS shaft is held, then tighten the BS gear bolts in their slots where ever the crank and idler put the gear and the BS puts the shaft.

ScotR January 9th, 2009 17:40

I was just reading the how to page for the bs module and it is a very good right up. I myself have done a few and there are a few things that can be done to make it easier. 1- No need to remove lock carrier from the car, puting the carrier in "service position" gives amble room for the job, also doesn't require A/C tools. 2- The crank sprocket gets pulled off with the same puller the new 2.0 tdi in the a5 body uses. Just have to grind the legs on the puller 1.5mm to engage the sprocket. The gear will never break using that tool. Don't have the vas# handy but can get it. Hope that helps.

MOGolf January 9th, 2009 19:40

I kept telling Brian about #1 but he prefers to remove the lock carrier.

You might mean T10392, the tool for pulling off the crankshaft gear that gets installed in this repair. The T40001 is what was specified by VW for pulling off the sprocket. Their procedure may have been written before the T10392 became available.


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