karlaudi
Veteran Member
- Joined
- Aug 24, 2005
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- San Francisco Bay area
- TDI
- 2002 VW Golf GLS 1.9TDi; 2012 Volkswagen Golf 2.0 TDi
On 05/18/06, AndyH wrote me a private email in answer to the following:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=1323528&postcount=145
I began the following response, but tabled it due to a brief cold and other family commitments at the time.
Andy’s comments here,
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=1346901&postcount=47
reminded me to complete my response to the document as follows and AndyH’s ongoing claims that Amsoil AFL actually meets Volkswagen Oil Quality Standards without Amsoil and AndyH notactually knowing what they are and the lack submitting any Amsoil motor oil to the same testing by VW AG that at least 295 other oil brands have done, as of 08/26/06.
As I originally began on 05/19/06:
Hello Andy,
Thank you once again for providing both a Deutsch and English copies of the Central Standard, VW 505 01, April 1999:
Class. No. 57 22 1
Service Engine Oil
Light-running engine oils for high
Performance requirements
I have read this elsewhere here in the various threads we all have written and I trust we can all agree its there without further proof. With your first known (to myself) mention here:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?p=926869#post926869
This summary document is divided into following sections, with or without accompanying text
Scope
Requirements
Basic specification
Prototype approval
Scope of prototype testing (without accompanying text)
Increased performance capacity
Reference standards
A.1 Annex to standard
In short, this is a brief summary of what a VW 505.01 oil standard is, compared to VW 502.0 and VW 505.00, and the process for approval. I summarized the subjects as follows:
A summary what the requirements are for a VW 505.01 to remain a VW 505.01 after “having been approved “by After Sales Service”; summary of “Basic specifications” (VW Standards VW 011 55, VW 911 01, 30 liter submission requirement to VW Central Laboratory K-GQ-1, “Shelf life in unopened original packaging at -20 degree to + 50 degree C: > 24 months”.); Summary of “Prototype approval”; summary of “Scope of prototype testing”; summary of “Increased performance capacity”; summary of “Reference standards”; and a summary of “Annex to standard”.
See: http://www.zamslube.com/VW50501-GB.pdf
An objective review of this document, now a seven year old document, and which may have since been superceded, reveals that said document is provided to a company seeking to have a oil(s) tested and approval, by Volkswagen AG, prior to the acceptance of a contract for such testing services and approval(s) of submitting company and VW AG and the subsequent signing of such contract and confidentiality and proprietary agreements between the submitting [oil] company and Volkswagen AG.
What we can conclude then, is that, Andy H’s repeated references to this document as being the document that expressly spells out the Volkswagen Oil Quality Standard VW 505.01 remain incorrect.
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=926886&postcount=129
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=926869&postcount=1
This document merely outlines the approval process and deliberately omits the actual definitions of the VW 505.01 specification in Section 3 to a prospective company wishing to submit its motor oil for approval by Volkswagen.
We can surmise that this information will be provided by Volkswagen AG once a contract has been signed and appropriate Confidentially and Proprietary Information Documents have been signed between the Volkswagen and the respective oil approval requestor.
The following Posts by AndyH show that while claiming that Amsoil European Formula meets VW 505.01, VW505.00, and VW502.00 no actual proof is ever provided.
Reference to checking Castrol / Motul and compairing them to see if Amsoil meets VW 505.01 rather than submitting AFL to Volkswagen.
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=863104&postcount=7
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=1020000&postcount=14
The following threads seem to me to be contradictory as well.
1) Inferred testing in a lab certified by VW means the same as passing the Volkswagen Oil Quality Standard Process and therefore Amsoil meets VW specs.
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=843698&postcount=32
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=1015209&postcount=20
2) Andy claims / blames Volkswagen for not “fully” releasing 505.01 and states Amsoil unwilling to pay the testing fees to get actual Volkswagen 505.01 Oil Quality Standard specifications.
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=1015218&postcount=1
While Amsoil European Formula/ AFL and other Amsoil products may be fine quality products, AndyH’s long standing claims of AFL meeting VW 505.01 et al Oil Quality Standards remains untrue and/ or are intended to be misleading, in so far, as Amsoil and Independent Amsoil Dealer’s are unable to provide the necessary certification documentation similar to what is shown below or are able to provide conclusive proof that they know what the actual oil formulations are, that are required to meet any and all Volkswagen Oil Quality Standards.
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=1327553&postcount=10