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Jetta09Chicago January 30th, 2009 01:16

Chicago 2009 TDI Owners: Non-Biodiesel Support Group
 
Please help me create a resource list of Chicago-area service stations that supply No.2 non-biodiesel fuel. Use this thread to post the following info:

1. Station Name
2. Address (city/state/zip) and/or Nearest Major Intersection
3. Type of Fuel ("Conventional" vs. "Premium" Diesel No. 2)
4. How Non-Bio Content Verified (Attendant, Manager, Distributor)

Before submitting, please examine the fuel pump to confirm that there are no disclosure labels indicating a biodiesel blend (usually blue or black stickers).

As background, the 2009 Jetta TDI owner's manual states,

"Diesel fuel with a higher concentration than ULSD-Diesel No. 2 ASTM D975 and Bio-diesel with a higher concentration than 5% like B11, B20 or B100 are strictly prohibited."

For owners who wish to comply with this specification, residents of Illinois are at an extreme hardship. Under SB 46, signed into law in 2003, biodiesel blends above 10% receive an exemption from state sales tax. For this reason, the vast majority of diesel pumps exceed VW's biodiesel requirement.

Once again, the purpose of this thread is to build a non-biodiesel service station resource list for Chicago-area 2009 TDI owners. (There are other forums for general discussion of biodiesel and experiences with such fuel on 2009 TDI cars.)

Any contributions appreciated!

Jetta09Chicago January 30th, 2009 01:36

PETRODIESEL (NON-BIODIESEL) STATION LIST
Updated as of 7/31/10

Thanks to various members who contributed the following info. Please help us expand this list of non-biodiesel (D2) pumps in the Chicago area. All diesel brands and service station chains are welcome!

CHICAGO AREA
(Cook, DuPage, Kane, Lake, McHenry and Will Counties)
BP stations may offer either petrodiesel (<B5) or biodiesel (disclosed on pump labels).
BP station locator: http://www.bp.com/toolserver/heliosp...tentId=7031707 (CHECK DIESEL FUEL BOX)
Submitted by: Jetta09Chicago on 3/26/09

Gas City stations in the Chicago area carry B11 year-round.
Submitted by: BTL on 1/6/10

Meijer stations in the Chicago area are exclusively petrodiesel.
The few Meijer suburban locations are all listed below.
Submitted by: Jetta09Chicago on 3/4/09

Shell stations in the Chicago area may carry either petrodiesel or biodiesel.
We need to list Shell petrodiesel locations on a station-by-station basis.
See posting by: Jetta09Chicago on 5/9/09.

Speedway stations in the Chicago area may carry either petrodiesel or biodiesel.
We need to list Speedway petrodiesel locations on a station-by-station basis.
See posting by: PalosParked on 5/13/09.

Thornton's stations are usually but not always biodiesel. Some stations offered B11 but have discontinued it. The corporate website states, "More recently, bio-diesel has become more readily available. We were the first in our market areas to adopt its use as well. This product is made by blending cleaner, ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel with industry certified biodiesel."
http://www.thorntonsinc.com/pages/fu...servation.html

Alqonquin
BP
1469 S. Randall Rd., Algonquin, IL 60102
847-854-2295 or 847-854-7899
Submitted by Jetta09Chicago on 12/8/09

Meijer
490 S. Randall Rd., Algonquin, IL 60102
847-960-7801
Submitted by: Jetta09Chicago on 3/4/09

Aurora
Meijer
818 N. Route 59, Aurora, IL 60504
630-692-6180
Submitted by: Jetta09Chicago on 3/4/09

Bartlett
BP
1100 W. Stearms Rd. (at Route 59), Bartlett, IL 60103
630-540-2132
Submitted by: GibMir1 on 7/11/09

Batavia
Feece Oil Co.
1700 Hubbard Dr., Batavia, IL 60510
888-879-1911
Submitted by: BTL on 9/22/09

Bensenville
BP
550 N. Route 83, Bensenville, IL 60106
630-766-2790
Submitted by: PalosParked on 8/5/09

JAM Trucking Co.
1100 W. Ellis, Bensenville, IL 60106
630-521-1100
Submitted by: Thunderstruck on 1/30/09

Bloomingdale
Meijer
128 S. Gary Ave., Bloomingdale, IL 60108
630-351-7610
Submitted by: Jetta09Chicago on 3/4/09

Bolingbrook
Meijer
195 N. Weber Rd., Bolingbrook, IL 60490
630-679-6500
Submitted by: Jetta09Chicago on 3/4/09

Bolingbrook
Meijer
735 E. Boughton Rd., Bolingbrook, IL 60440
630-783-5301
Submitted by: Jetta09Chicago on 3/4/09

Cary
Thornton's (confirmed biodiesel discontinued at this station)
800 Northwest Hwy., Cary, IL 60013
847-516-2210
Submitted by: jcrews on 6/18/09

Chicago
BP
1221 S. Wabash Ave., Chicago, IL 60605
312-566-0067
Submitted by: PalosParked on 8/5/09

BP
3047 S. Halsted St., Chicago, IL 60608-5804
312-842-0180
Submitted by: PalosParked on 7/30/09

BP
4701 S. Central, Chicago, IL 60638
708-924-1553
Submitted by: Jetta09Chicago on 12/8/09

BP Amoco
9900 S. Halsted St., Chicago, IL 60628-1036
773-429-9138
Submitted by: PalosParked on 7/30/09

Crest Hill
Phillips 66
20755 W. Renwick Rd. (west of Weber Rd.), Crest Hill, IL 60403
815-588-6600
Submitted by: BTL on 6/17/09

Crystal Lake
Citgo
5604 S. Route 31 (at Route 176), Crystal Lake, IL 60014
815-477-1078
Submitted by: N8116B on 6/19/09

Des Plaines
Mobil
I-90 (Des Plaines Oasis)
847-635-4005 and 847-390-9464
Submitted by: Jetta09Chicago
Confirmed non-biodiesel via fuel sample analysis on 7/8/09

Downers Grove
BP (under new management 6/16/09)
4314 Main St. (SW corner of Ogden Ave. and Main St.), Downers Grove, IL 60515
630-810-0190
Submitted by: PalosParked on 6/3/09

Delta Sonic (premium)
1407 Ogden Ave., Downers Grove, IL 60515-2734
630-963-8710
Submitted by: Thunderstruck on 6/26/10

Dyer, IN
BP
3325 Hart St., Dyer, IN 46311
219-322-1445
Submitted by: Jetta09Chicago on 12/8/09

Elgin
Meijer
801 S. Randall Rd., Elgin, IL 60123
847-717-6510
Submitted by: Jetta09Chicago on 3/4/09

Elk Grove Village
BP
601 E. Devon Ave., Elk Grove Village, IL 60007
847-860-8735
Submitted by: PalosParked on 8/5/09

Elmhurst
BP
1003 N. York Rd., Elmhurst, IL 60126
630-833-2213
Submitted by: Jetta09Chicago on 12/8/09

Delta Sonic (premium)
600 W. North Ave., Elmhurst, IL 60126
630-530-8874
Submitted by: Thunderstruck on 6/26/10

Forest View
BP
4701 S. Central Ave., Forest View, IL 60638-1530
708-924-1553
Submitted by: PalosParked on 7/30/09

Frankfort
BP
16 E. Lincoln Hwy. Frankfort, IL 60423
815-464-9423
Submitted by: PalosParked on 4/22/09

Glenview
BP
2401 Sanders Rd. (at Willow Rd.), Glenview, IL 60025
847-326-0301
Submitted by: lowrider12 on 5/3/10

Glenwood
Delta Sonic (premium)
18225 S. Halsted St., Glenwood, IL 60425-1056
708-754-3909
Submitted by: Thunderstruck on 6/26/10

Gurnee
Citgo (Gurnee Fuel Stop)
2301 N. Route 41, Gurnee, IL 60031
847-693-4168
Submitted by: nibw on 7/1/09 and StoBro2 on 7/30/10

Harvey
Marathon
16643 S. Halsted St., Harvey, IL 60426
Submitted by: PalosParked on 4/22/09

Hinsdale
Fuller's (premium)
102 W. Chicago Ave., Hinsdale, IL 60521
630-325-0088
Submitted by: PalosParked on 4/22/09

Shell
210 E. Ogden Ave., Hinsdale, IL 60521
630-323-2477
Submitted by: PalosParked on 5/13/09

Hoffman Estates
Mobil
1700 W. Algonquin Rd., Hoffman Estates, IL 60192
847-359-0190
Submitted by: lofloff on 8/1/09

Joliet
BP (River Boat Gas & Food, Inc.)
1411 Riverboat Center Dr., Joliet, IL 60431
815-741-9774
Submitted by: dzcad90 on 7/22/10

Delta Sonic (premium)
1812 W. Jefferson St. (at Larkin Ave.), Joliet, IL 60435
815-207-7000
Submitted by: dzcad90 on 6/20/09 and Thunderstruck on 6/26/10

Lake Forest
Mobil
I-94 (Lake Forest Oasis)
847-234-9066
Submitted by: Jetta09Chicago

Lemont
Citgo (premium)
135th St. & New Ave., Lemont, IL 60439
630-257-7761
Submitted by: BTL on 9/15/09

Shell
12301 Archer Ave., Lemont, IL 60439
630-243-0432
Submitted by: PalosParked on 6/3/09

Libertyville
Mobil
1060 E. Park Ave., Libertyville, IL 60048
847-362-6620
Submitted by: not_timmins

Lincolnshire
BP
490 Milwaukee Ave., Lincolnshire, IL 60069-3011
847-634-3223
Submitted by: tlak77 on 5/22/10

Lombard
Shell
600 W. North Ave. (at Rohlwing Rd.), Lombard, IL 60148
630-627-6450
Submitted by: Jetta09Chicago, 4/8/09

McHenry
Meijer
2155 N. Richmond Rd., McHenry, IL 60050
815-578-9700
Submitted by: Jetta09Chicago on 3/4/09

Minooka
Feece Oil Co.
517 Twin Rail Dr., Minooka, IL 60447
888-879-1911
Submitted by: BTL on 9/22/09

Mokena
BP
9545 191st St., Mokena, IL 60448
708-479-0175
Submitted by: PalosParked on 4/22/09

North Aurora
Mobil
329 S. Lincolnway (Illinois 31 & I-88), North Aurora, IL 60542
630-859-2323
Submitted by: b4black on 12/16/09

Woodman's
151 Hansen Blvd., North Aurora, IL 60542-8986
630-723-3900
Submitted by: CornfieldCraig on 8/1/09

Northbrook
BP
1998 Willow Road (at Sanders Road), Northbrook, IL 60062
847-562-0378
Submitted by: lowrider12 on 5/3/10

Oswego
BP
6501 Route 34 (east of Orchard Rd.), Oswego, IL 60543
630-551-0329
Submitted by: b4black on 6/18/09

Meijer
2700 Route 34 (at Douglas Rd.), Oswego, IL 60543
630-636-5029
Submitted by: BTL on 6/10/09

Mobil
6551 Route 34 (west of Orchard Rd.), Oswego, IL 60543
630-551-0970
Submitted by: BTL on 6/17/09

Palatine
Palatine Oil Co.
515 W. Colfax St., Palatine, IL 60067
847-358-3100
Submitted by: Thunderstruck on 1/30/09

Plainfield
Meijer
13705 S. Route 59, Plainfield, IL 60544
815-267-8100
Submitted by: Jetta09Chicago on 3/4/09

Rolling Meadows
Meijer
1301 Meijer Dr., Rolling Meadows, IL 60008
847-690-1210
Submitted by: Jetta09Chicago on 3/4/09
Confirmed non-biodiesel via fuel sample analysis on 7/8/09

Romeoville
BP
418 N. Weber Rd., Romeoville, IL 60446
815-407-1790
Submitted by: Jetta09Chicago on 12/8/09

Roselle
BP
5 W. Irving Park Rd., Roselle, IL 60172
630-893-5693
Submitted by: Jetta09Chicago on 7/9/09
Confirmed non-biodiesel via fuel sample analysis on 7/8/09

Schaumburg
Mobil (Walden Service)
1601 E. Algonquin Rd., Schaumburg, IL 60173
847-397-2244
Submitted by: N8116B on 6/17/09

Shorewood
BP
312 E. Jefferson St., Shorewood, IL 60404
815-725-1658
Submitted by: PalosParked on 7/30/09

Mobil (Non-Biodiesel from November-March only)
4303 W. Jefferson (U.S. 52 at I-55), Shorewood, IL
Submitted by: dzcad90 on 11/24/09

St. Charles
Meijer
865 S. Randall Rd., St. Charles, IL 60174
630-762-7200
Submitted by: Jetta09Chicago on 3/4/09

Tinley Park
Delta Sonic (premium)
6800 159th St. (at Oak Park Ave.), Tinley Park, IL 60478
708-614-0772
Submitted by: Thunderstruck on 6/26/10

Vernon Hills
Shell
909 S. Milwaukee Ave., Vernon Hills, IL 60061
847-634-3737
Submitted by: tlak77 on 5/22/10

Wauconda
BP
512 W. Liberty St. (Route 176 just east of Route 59), Wauconda, IL 60084
847-487-8303
Submitted by: Jetta09Chicago on 6/21/09

Westmont
Citgo (Jimmy's Service Station) (premium)
260 N. Cass Ave., Westmont, IL 60559
630-969-2323
Submitted by: PalosParked on 6/10/09

Wilmette
BP
840 Skokie Rd., Wilmette, IL 60091
847-251-4321
Submitted by: nibw on 12/29/09

Willowbrook
Mobil
7675 Kingery Hwy., Willowbrook, IL 60527
630-654-8617
Submitted by: dzcad90 on 6/7/09

Winnetka
BP
1025 Tower Rd., Winnetka, IL 60093
847-446-2287
Submitted by: Deming on 2/1/09

Worth
Marathon (Woodstock Petroleum)
11501 S. Harlem Ave., Worth, IL 60482
708-671-1791
Submitted by: PalosParked on 6/13/09

Yorkville
BP
1402 N. Bridge, Yorkville, IL 60560
630-553-7634
Submitted by: Jetta09Chicago on 12/8/09


DOWNSTATE ILLINOIS

Arthur
Collins Oil Service
Arthur, IL 61911
217-543-2722
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Assumption

Freedom
101 S. Business Route 51, Assumption, IL 62510
217-226-3321
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Bloomington
Freedom
18928 U.S. 150 (at Towanda Barnes Rd.), Bloomington, IL 61705
309-828-7750
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Freedom
1802 W. Market St., Bloomington, IL 61701
309-828-4223
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Freedom
1331 N. Linden, Bloomington, IL 61701
309-829-5922
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Freedom
1402 S. Main St., Bloomington, IL 61701
309-827-6826
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Champaign
Freedom
1406 N. Prospect Ave., Champaign, IL 61820
217-398-4930
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Chillicothe
Freedom
5530 E. Knox St., Chillicothe, IL 61523
309-274-6660
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Clinton
Freedom
219 W. Van Buren St., Clinton, IL 61727
217-935-6153
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Creve Coeur
Freedom
1023 N. Main St., Creve Coeur, IL 61610
309-694-2156
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

East Peoria
MacDonald's Shell
1100 N. Main St., East Peoria, IL 61611
309-694-2449
Submitted by: Thunderstruck on 7/14/09

Edwards
Freedom
7200 N. Kickapoo-Edwards Rd., Edwards, IL 61528
309-691-0537
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

El Paso
Freedom
601 W. Main St., El Paso, IL 61738
309-527-6210
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Genoa City, WI
BP
100 Elizabeth Ln., Genoa City, WI 53128
262-279-0123
Submitted by: lovemybug on 3/4/09

Girard
Freedom
102 S. Third, Girard, IL 62640
217-627-2651
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Goodfield
Freedom
211 W. Peoria St., Goodfield, IL 61742
309-965-2291
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Lacon
Freedom
102 S. Prairie, Lacon, IL 61540
309-246-2500
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Le Roy
Freedom
101 W. Cedar St., Le Roy, IL 61752
309-962-3205
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Lexington
Freedom
1102 W. Main St., Lexington, IL 61753
309-365-8697
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Loves Park
Shell
5542 E. Riverside Blvd., Loves Park, IL 61111-4942
815-847-5620
Submitted by: MAW on 11/27/09

Maroa
Freedom
102 N. Wood St., Maroa, IL 61756
217-794-5542
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Metamora
Freedom
610 E. Mount Vernon St., Metamora, IL 61548
309-367-4904
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Normal
Freedom
601 S. Main St., Normal, IL 61761
309-454-1417
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Ottawa
Feece Oil Co.
701 Hitt St. (Route 71), Ottawa, IL 61350
888-879-1911
Submitted by: BTL on 9/22/09

Pekin
Freedom
1206 S. 2nd St., Pekin, IL 61554
309-353-4938
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Pontiac
Freedom
957 W. Reynolds St. (Rte. 115 & Rte. 66), Pontiac, IL 61764
815-842-3735
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Roanoke
Freedom
501 W. Front St., Roanoke, IL 61561
309-923-7342
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Rockford
Some Shell stations in Rockford area carry non-bio D2.
Submitted by: MAW

Springfield
Freedom
Bachman Dr. (near 3975 N. Dirksen Pky.), Springfield, IL 62702
217-528-9528
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Sullivan
Howy's Lakeside
County Route 3, Sullivan, IL 61951
217-728-2810
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Toluca
Freedom
402 N. Main St., Toluca, IL 61369
815-452-2762
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Urbana
Freedom
1812 N. Cunningham, Urbana, IL 61802
217-328-5007
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Freedom
501 S. Vine St., Urbana, IL 61801
217-367-1931
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

Washington
Freedom
2302 Washington Rd., Washington, IL 61571
309-745-9211
Submitted by: ppcjbj on 5/1/10

alnmike January 30th, 2009 02:10

Wow, that really sucks. What do the local VW dealers have to say, or VWoA?

Jetta09Chicago January 30th, 2009 02:15

Alnmike, I wrote a letter to my local VW dealer from whom I purchased the car. He in turn contacted a regional rep who did not have an immediate answer. The regional rep then contacted VWoA, and I am still awaiting a reply. When I receive further info, I will post it for the benefit of other members.

Thunderstruck January 30th, 2009 13:43

JAM is a card lock station, and is serviced by POC. Their credit card reader is busted and they've never gotten it fixed-I'm the only one who has tried a CC there. I got a card from POC so I could fill up there, and I mail POC a check once a month when they bill me.
We are on the bleeding edge of what is going to become a growing concern as time goes on-I used to go out of my way to specifically buy Bio, and now I have to go out of my way to not buy it.

deming February 1st, 2009 17:05

Do not be afraid of the B11 or B12% ULSD blended Bio-Diesel.
It is not a high concentration. We have two 2.0 TDI Pump Duse 2005 Passat Wagons. Basically the same motor that you guys have in the 2009 TDI.

We have 40,000 miles on the one car and 30,000 miles on the other car. We have had no issues running the B11% or B12% summer or winter. I do however recommend that you change your fuel filter once per year and run Power Service (white bottle) in the winter months. The factory recommended Stanadyne in my opinion is crap. I have had it gel up inside the bottle.

VW like many manufacturers, is just covering its behind and not endorsing anything more than B5% for warranty reasons. Deere and Company and Catepillar are no different. We have run B11 / B12% in our $310,000
John Deere combine with no issues for the last two seasons. Unfortunately, there are knuckle heads that will attempt to run a super high concentration of Bio- Diesel in their car or equipment and they could potentially gel up or mess up an injector pump or the fuel system. People sometimes do dumb things!

You be your own judge. Nothing wrong with playing it safe. We have had good luck with the B12% and feel comfortable running it in our Passats.
Like I stated, 12% is not a high concentration. B25% is getting up in the concentration a bit too far for my liking.

Just my humble .02.

BTW- BP Premier ULSD with no bio-diesel is available at the BP station on GreenBay Rd and Tower Rd in Winnetka. Good quality stuff.

Thanks
Deming

Sip'n Diesel February 1st, 2009 18:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by deming
BTW- BP Premier ULSD with no bio-diesel is available at the BP station on GreenBay Rd and Tower Rd in Winnetka. Good quality stuff.

Thanks
Deming

O RLY? :)

Thunderstruck February 1st, 2009 19:55

I thought BP Premier was discontinued several years ago. How do you know it's not regular D2 masquerading as Premier? Don't forget several stations were found to be doing just that back in the days.
Anyway, with PD you don't have to worry about post injected bio contaminating your oil-we do.

redbrick1 February 1st, 2009 20:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by deming
We have two 2.0 TDI Pump Duse 2005 Passat Wagons. Basically the same motor that you guys have in the 2009 TDI.

Sorry, I disagree with that. Whether or not biodiesel's ok is another issue.;)

Jetta09Chicago February 1st, 2009 21:56

Biodiesel Pump Labels
 
I have been surveying service stations which sell "diesel" in Chicago and the outlying suburbs. As some of you may know, a new law took effect July 1, 2008 requiring service stations to provide disclosure of biodiesel content greater than 5% (B5) via stickers applied to the pump. Following are links to the state legislation, as well as examples of the decals:

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/publ...F/095-0381.pdf
http://www.opisnet.com/market/decalbiodiesel.asp

In one afternoon I visited 11 "diesel" stations with the following results:

- 4 stations had pump stickers disclosing 6-20% biodiesel content
- 3 stations had no pump sticker, but staff indicated 11% biodiesel
- 4 stations had no pump sticker, and staff did not know the formulation

This situation reflects ignorance of current law, noncompliance, and poor communication/training about "diesel" products being sold. If one encounters a biodiesel sticker, it is possible to just drive to the next service station. If there is no sticker, this could be a "false negative." One needs to ask, and even then, the attendant may not know the answer.

It is apparent that the Illinois tax structure favors biodiesel blends of 11% and higher as the standard for "diesel." As a new '09 Jetta TDI owner, I have buyer's remorse that there are no pumps with <5% biodiesel in my area, and that I could be putting the longevity of my engine at risk through use of locally available "diesel."

On January 25 I wrote a letter to my VW salesperson, who in turn informed me that he had contacted a "tech guru" at VW's regional level. This person did not have an immediate answer and forwarded my issues to Volkswagen of America's Emissions Department. On January 28 my salesperson said an answer should be coming in 24 hours, and I am still waiting.

I absolutely love my new vehicle and want to care for it properly, but I have to admit that I am frustrated that I was not properly informed of the fuel specifications prior to the sale. In fact, my salesperson told me, "We've had good luck with the Speedways in this area." Guess what? When I've inquired at Speedway, they carry B11 biodiesel.

Thunderstruck February 2nd, 2009 07:35

If your salesman was a reader of this web site, he already would have known that.

Sip'n Diesel February 2nd, 2009 10:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thunderstruck
I thought BP Premier was discontinued several years ago. How do you know it's not regular D2 masquerading as Premier?

I would love to get my hands on the elusive BP Premier, but I'm afraid the 4 or 5 stations that used to have it in Illinois stopped awhile ago

Jetta09Chicago March 4th, 2009 21:27

To 2009 TDI owners who share my concern about the lack of Diesel No. 2 in Illinois, I want to share a reply I received on March 2 from Brian Horsford, Director, Gas Stations/C-Stores, for the Meijer chain:



". . . All Meijer locations sell conventional diesel and will continue to do so unless mandated differently by the government. Meijer has opted to add bio-diesel (an additional pump) where applicable due to demand and tax incentives. Currently in Illinois, we have one bio-diesel pump at our Urbana, Illinois site.

"While we have not received any complaints about our Bio-Diesel, Meijer is about offering quality products and choices. We offer, Diesel, Bio-Diesel, E-85, Regular Gasoline, Kerosene, and even compressed natural gas at some locations. . . ."


Given this confirmation from the corporate office, I will add Meijer's Chicago-area station addresses to the master list at the beginning of this thread. I encourage everyone to continue submitting locations of D2 pumps--regardless of brand/chain--to provide more options for 2009 TDI owners.

lovemybug March 4th, 2009 21:54

My last post was lost in the server malfunction. I had posted that for any '09 owners in the border area, the BP station in Genoa City, WI, next to hwy 12, advertises on their sign that they have no biofuel in their diesel. It's next to Richmond, IL, which is somewhat NW of Fox Lake and west of Antioch.

littlebike March 5th, 2009 13:51

I sent an email to Shell in this regard, here is their response:

Thank you for bringing your concerns to our attention.

In reference to your inquiry, Shell does not currently sell biodiesel in the Chicago market. The state of Illinois requires any retail diesel dispenser be labeled if it contains biodiesel, with a number that refers to the amount of biodiesel, e.g., B5, B20, etc.

We appreciate the opportunity to serve you in this matter and look forward to providing you with quality Shell branded products and service in the future.

Sincerely,
Shell Customer Care

Thunderstruck March 5th, 2009 19:56

You got further than I did-they told me "in reference to your inquiry, we're not able to provide you the lists of stations and the type of fuel that they sell.
The only information that we can provide you would be the lists of all stations."
I'm not going to call every fricking Shell station in the area to see what they sell, so I wrote them off at that point.

Sip'n Diesel March 6th, 2009 18:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by littlebike
I sent an email to Shell in this regard, here is their response:

Thank you for bringing your concerns to our attention.

In reference to your inquiry, Shell does not currently sell biodiesel in the Chicago market. The state of Illinois requires any retail diesel dispenser be labeled if it contains biodiesel, with a number that refers to the amount of biodiesel, e.g., B5, B20, etc.

We appreciate the opportunity to serve you in this matter and look forward to providing you with quality Shell branded products and service in the future.

Sincerely,
Shell Customer Care

this is good information! does anyone want to volunteer to send the same questions to BP?

Jetta09Chicago March 16th, 2009 23:10

Speedway Update
 
Since it was recently observed that Speedway stations have been removing biodiesel notices from their pumps, I made an inquiry to the Speedway Super America LLC headquarters in Springfield, Ohio. Today I received the following reply from Jennifer M. Newman:

"Thank you for writing in regard to Bio Diesel and No. 2 ULSD (Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel). At this point we are not selling Bio Diesel. However, we are continually evaluating this decision. We have no plans of going back to selling it at this time. Currently we only offer No. 2 ULSD (Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel) in all of our markets."
Sincerely,
Jennifer
Customer Service

The availability of non-biodiesel at Speedway expands the options available to 2009 TDI owners. I will update the master list.

Please continue to offer info on non-biodiesel pump locations.

UPDATE: As of late spring 2009, several Speedway stations have been confirmed to be selling 6-20% biodiesel blends. This information from the corporate office is no longer correct.

Jetta09Chicago March 16th, 2009 23:25

BP Inquiry
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sip'n Diesel
this is good information! does anyone want to volunteer to send the same questions to BP?

I contacted BP requesting a list of non-biodiesel pumps in the Chicago area. Specifically I requested info on where BP Diesel Supreme and Amoco Premier Diesel can be purchased. I am eager to find out, and will share any info I received.

I have visited BP stations with diesel pumps in Roselle and Carpentersville. Both stations have a single dedicated diesel pump with an Amoco Diesel branding (without Premier). When I asked the cashiers and managers about the type of diesel, no one had a clue. The pumps did not carry any biodiesel labels, although from my experience, I have found this is sometimes a "false negative" as label compliance is spotty.

Does anyone know if this Amoco Diesel represents the variety with the 51 cetane rating?

Jetta09Chicago March 23rd, 2009 10:53

BP Inquiry
 
Does anyone have an e-mail or snail-mail address or phone number to get in touch with BP regarding Chicago-area locations of "premium" BP/Amoco diesel pumps? I have tried using the consumer comments site below on www.alittlebettergasstation.com several times and have received no reply:

http://www.bp.com/heliospower/generi...tentId=7051505

I would like to find out where to purchase the higher-cetane BP diesel fuels around here. Unfortunately BP station attendants have no clue what they are pumping!

ChiTDI March 25th, 2009 08:10

Best route is to catch the tanker truck driver when he's delivering. He'll show you a bill of lading with the delivery requirements. Haven't been able to get anything better than Amoco D2 for about two years around here. Mequon WI is about the closest I've found to have Premier.
Good BP D2 (ULSD) in NW Indiana without Bio is pretty standard there.

Jetta09Chicago March 25th, 2009 22:28

BP Update
 
Today I contacted BP Global Fuels Technology (800-841-5255) and obtained the following information:

1. Chicago-area BP stations generally carry No. 2 diesel, or winterized blends, which come from the Whiting, Indiana, refinery. This fuel has a minimum cetane rating of 40+. Pumps labeled "Amoco Diesel" dispense this standard minimum-cetane product (not 51 as reported elsewhere). Typically BP diesel is available as petrodiesel or low biodiesel (up to B5). On occasion, it is sometimes offered at a higher bio blend (B6-B20), in which case the pump is supposed to carry a disclosure label.

2. BP Diesel Supreme is most widely available at BP stations in Ohio. Its target is actually agriculture, construction and other industrial applications. While it is sometimes offered at service stations, BP has not targeted BP Diesel Supreme at passenger vehicles.

3. Amoco Premier Diesel is another product that BP mainly targets to commercial applications, such as the Chicago Transit Authority, though it sometimes finds its way to service stations. BP does have a list of Chicago-area stations that once carried APD, but they will not share the list since it is outdated. (The person I spoke to believed that APD is available at the BP in Downers Grove.) Once again, pumps labeled "Amoco Diesel" are not APD.

4. Future Product Development - There is now some early-stage discussion about developing a new BP-branded "premium" diesel fuel with a higher cetane rating (47+). No target date has been set for rollout. However, to add a dose of realism, the representative I spoke with predicted that this product would have niche appeal (e.g., TDIClub types), and that distribution would be a great challenge since "jobbers" (service station managers) would need to make a strategic decision between whether to offer a unique premium diesel vs. lower-cost standard No. 2. In most instances, he predicts that jobbers would elect for the cheaper standard diesel which would turn over more frequently.

So based on all this, it would be helpful for people to continue to submit those rare service stations where APD can be found. In addition, I think it would be a good idea to share consumer input with BP and other diesel marketers as to the type of fuel we want them to offer in the future.

Sip'n Diesel March 26th, 2009 13:10

AFAIK the Downers Grove BP gets the same D2 as everyone else:(

FWIW when I was at the auto show I went to the Shell display and asked why Shell offers V-Power diesel up der in ":DCanadia," but not here where we have 10X the population? they didn't have a good answer why but an employee claimed that Shell is considering/planning/developing plans to begin offering V-Power in the States. this would be a premium fuel, of course. I'll believe that when I see it:mad:

SoBeItJetta March 28th, 2009 12:53

Thanks for all your hard work so far in compiling this list. I have been concerned about this too since buying my Jetta TDI last month and reading the owner's manual. I may just have to make the short trek out to Meijer in Bollingbrook when needed. I'm wondering about the Speedway status, though -- I filled up for the first time at the Speedway on 159th St. in Homer Glen and the pump had a "may contain 6-20% biodiesel" sticker on it. Maybe they don't consider that the "Chicago area?"
Anybody know anything about Thornton's or Gas City? Next time I need to fill up, I'll try to check one of them and see if there are stickers on the pump.
There's also a Shell station near Lemont that posts diesel prices on their sign, but that doesn't seem to be coming up on their station locator - it's at the intersection of Archer Ave. and McCarthy Rd.

Sip'n Diesel March 28th, 2009 18:28

I've never used Thornton's or Gas City. I used Meijer several times over the summer, but probably never will again: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=238099

http://www.myturbodiesel.com/forum/i...s/twocents.gifif I had an '09, I would stick to Shell (and maybe BP) exclusively in this area until there is more information available. I think BP has good fuel too, but it may or may not be B6-B20 depending on the station. I find it odd that Speedway stopped offering B11...:confused:
Quote:

Originally Posted by littlebike
I sent an email to Shell in this regard, here is their response:

Thank you for bringing your concerns to our attention.

In reference to your inquiry, Shell does not currently sell biodiesel in the Chicago market. The state of Illinois requires any retail diesel dispenser be labeled if it contains biodiesel, with a number that refers to the amount of biodiesel, e.g., B5, B20, etc.

We appreciate the opportunity to serve you in this matter and look forward to providing you with quality Shell branded products and service in the future.

Sincerely,
Shell Customer Care

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetta09Chicago
1. Chicago-area BP stations generally carry No. 2 diesel, or winterized blends, which come from the Whiting, Indiana, refinery. This fuel has a minimum cetane rating of 40+. Pumps labeled "Amoco Diesel" dispense this standard minimum-cetane product (not 51 as reported elsewhere). Typically BP diesel is available as petrodiesel or low biodiesel (up to B5). On occasion, it is sometimes offered at a higher bio blend (B6-B20), in which case the pump is supposed to carry a disclosure label.


Jetta09Chicago March 30th, 2009 10:04

SoBeItJetta, welcome to the forum . . .

Your question about Speedway highlights one of the frustrations about finding petrodiesel, namely station operators' lack of compliance in accurately labeling diesel pumps. Some stations are supplying biodiesel and fail to disclose this with a sticker. Other stations have reverted back to petrodiesel and have outdated bio stickers that were not removed. I would suggest that you inquire with your local Speedway manager, and follow up with the corporate office if necessary. Please let us know if this station is pumping bio, as this contradicts what the corporate office told me.

I own a 2009 Jetta TDI with nearly 4,000 miles, and so far I have used only Meijer and Mobil petrodiesel (at Illinois tollway oases). Meijer's corporate office has confirmed non-bio content. Mobil oasis cashiers have stated that they supply D2, which is also printed on receipts. Personally I have decided to save my fuel receipts just in case any future issues arise.

Sip'n Diesel March 30th, 2009 11:39

I have some Speedway receipts (one location in particular) from several months ago which say B11, when all Speedways were supposedly selling it. I stopped using Speedway when, to my confusion, the receipts started to say D2. this was around the time when winter was starting to get really cold. I suspect they stopped selling B11 due to the extreme cold temps, or possibly for other reasons:confused:

maybe I'll dig through the stack of receipts and try to pinpoint a date, or does anyone already know why they stopped offering B11?

Sip'n Diesel March 30th, 2009 12:01

Fwiw
 
here's a screen-shot of all Shell locations on my Favorites list @ http://www.gasbuddy.com

all of these stations usually have pretty competitive prices. except, for the one off I-90 in Elgin. don't go to the Elgin one! they are @ $2.99 AFAIK, diesel has probably been sitting in their tank since October:p. the Addison location is almost always more expensive than the Lombard location, which is right down the street. there are many industrial businesses and a major UPS facility nearby, so that's why I would disqualify Addison from being a "high volume" station

I suspect the "high volume" stations would be: both in Aurora, Lombard, and Mokena, as they are all located on major truck routes/interstate exits. I've never been stuck using a truck-sized nozzle @ Shell either, some have them but they all have auto sized nozzles as well. I don't go to Shell nearly as much as I used to (RE: 5% cash-back @ BP) otherwise I would have more locations on my list:
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...MISC/shell.jpg

Jetta09Chicago April 2nd, 2009 14:24

Shell Diesel
 
I contacted one of the Shell stations closest to me (2449 West Lake Street near Medinah Road in Addison) and inquired about their diesel product. The attendant checked and stated that it is a biodiesel blend. I asked the percentage of bio content, but she did not know.

I explained that my car requires no more than B5, so she spoke with another employee, who said that their biodiesel is the "same as all the other Shells in this area."

I put in a call to Shell (888-467-4355) and left a message asking for clarification of biodiesel content, as well as the current cetane rating in the Chicago area. Based on a previous post, it seemed that Shell was non-bio in this market, but now the local station is telling me otherwise.

In my experience, stations which offer biodiesel most commonly supply B11. However, I wonder if Shell might be using <B5 merely for lubricity benefits. If I learn more, I will post here.

Jetta09Chicago April 7th, 2009 18:06

Shell Update
 
Today I received two e-mails from Shell Customer Care regarding separate inquiries I submitted. My first question was on biodiesel content in the Chicago market:


"Currently the Chicago diesel product for Shell is just petroleum diesel, no biodiesel. The cetane rating will be at least 40."


Shell's second reply addresses a separate question I raised about their cetane rating. There is an oft-quoted chart on the message boards here reporting a certain cetane value for Shell diesel.


"Shell is not currently marketing any premium diesel so we do not guarantee those properties for any diesel. In some northern areas of the US Shell will supply a winter diesel from October through March that contains an additive to improve cold weather performance."


So these are Shell's corporate responses. There is apparently miscommunication between the corporate and retailer levels. For example, the Shell station at 2449 West Lake Street in Addison recently told me that they carry biodiesel (percentage unkown), "the same diesel sold at all the Shells in this area." However, the corporate e-mail claims what they are selling is petrodiesel. In any event, it does not hurt for us 2009 TDI owners to examine the pumps for biodiesel labels and also talk to the employees.


UPDATE: As of 5/8/09, this statement from Shell Customer Care is inaccurate. The Shell station at Oakton and Busse in Elk Grove Village displays pump stickers indicating 6-20% biodiesel.

PalosParked April 22nd, 2009 14:19

Jetta09Chicago and Thunderstruck
Hello again....I kinda lost touch with you and this topic after the ULSD station locations thread. I didn't notice this new thread until now.
Yes, I'd like to help out.
Thunderstruck...I'm still using the BP and Ogden and Main, Downers Grove. The BP (Whiting) fuel engineer did convince me not to worry about condensation at the D.G. filling station. I also used some winterized premium I found at the Fullers in Hinsdale (pricey but full service indulgence on a cold winter's day). And the Speedway 898 W Ogden D.G. down the road from the BP is selling the D2.
Back in January when we were all fired up on the ULSD and B11 issue, I contacted my VW dealership to see where the dealership was buying us our first fill up. Turns out my first fill was B11 from Thorntons. So, for me B5 or B11, I kinda think I'm covered by somebody's warranty since then.
Let me share with you how one of my (e-mail) conversations with my dealership went. It's a little long and redundant to this post but it's eaier for me to just cut and paste. Take from it what you will.
Quote:

...I agree that 1 tank of B11 (in an emergency) should be no big deal and probably unavoidable at times.
...I realize that Thorntons is convenient but it probably would be better for a dealer to put the D#2 (no bio, especially not B11)) in there.
...I'm not mad....
...But...I feel that we are partners in this and need to work together for all kinds of reasons.
...Let me offer you the following info to give to other 2009 TDI owners who start freaking out about fuel.
...It's because at most service stations the attendants are clueless about what they are selling. Especially for the winterized stuff. If the pumps are not marked (or you don't look to see the labels) it can be a problem.
...Yes, ...expressway stations are usually good choices. All the BP's in Indiana carry winterized Diesel #2 (Atlas Oil Co. Taylor MI owns them)
...I found a diesel fuel distributor (http://texor.com/) is supplying winterized (-15F) Diesel #2 treated with diesel #1 (70/30 blend) to a Marathon at 16643 S Halsted, Harvey They also supply Fullers in Hinsdale with winterized premium D#2. (D1 and D2 blend)
...I alos learned that Distributor, Atlas Oil Co, http://www.insideindianabusiness.com...m.asp?ID=32283just purchased 57 BP stations on the south and east side. They sell cold flow BP D#2 refined in Whiting. Their closest stations (so far) are; BP, 9545 191st St, Mokena, or BP, 16 E Lincoln, Frankfort. They (Atlas) have big eyes on expansion into the Chicagoland area..That would really help.
...And a friend (Jetta09Chicago) told me that Meijer stores are selling winterized premium D#2.
...Furthermore, a diesel fuel engineer at BP told me that summer diesel from Whiting is cloud rated to +15F. Cold flow winterized is -15F to -20F..
He (BP diesel fuel engineer) also told me that the diesel would float on the water. Diesel does not absorb the water. And the pump fuel suction tube rests at least 8 inches above the bottom of the tank. Only way you'd get water is if something else was wrong with the tank. He went on to say that Powerservice white bottle type stuff will only reduce the cloud point by an additional 10degrees so it's better to buy the winterized fuel.
He also told me that Bio blend fuel up to 5% can be called D#2 with no additional label on the tank (except ULSD of course).
Anything over 5% needs to be clearly labeled as Biofuel. There's no sales tax (6.25%) on bio blends above 10%, Hence the big deal on B11 around here.
Jetta09Chicago, Thank you for carrying on and creating a post location for us to list the (D2)stations as we find them.

Sip'n Diesel April 22nd, 2009 15:17

o rly, premium?
 
brilliant! now we need to find out some cetane ratings. I won't believe any claim of "premium" diesel until I see some convincing proof, or if my car runs noticeably better on it:)

I want 49+ cetane:cool:

when did Fuller's have winterized diesel? I'm assuming this was awhile ago, they can't still have winterized stuff can they?

what do they have right now? non-winterized "premium"? what is the current price per gallon? I paid $2.299 last time I topped-off @ a BP. I would be very interested in running a couple tanks of any alleged premium:)

PalosParked April 22nd, 2009 15:52

Fullers premium D2
 
Sip'n,
I was in to Fullers only once (2/3/09- and I'm ashamed to say what I paid. It was outrageou$$). It was really cold out and because the D#2 in my car (BP-Ogden and Main) wasn't winterized I splurged on the 'good stuff' to keep me protected. I had called the distributor (got the name off a tanker truck, Texor Petrolium) and spoke to a guy named Arnie. He said that Fullers was not a high volume but that they had recently filled his tank with D1-D2 blend I mentioned. (I didn't think D1 was even available to us until he told me.) At the time I was more concerned with getting non bio diesel and the cloud or gel rating and Arnie and I talked mostly on this subject. They seem pretty open about describing what and to whom they are selling diesel to. You could give them a call to see if they provide the 'premium blend' and the cetane rating. (my winter mpg was down so I can't say I ran any better or worse on it.)

Texor Petroleum Company
3340 South Harlem Avenue
Riverside, Illinois 60546

708-447-1999 Main
708-447-1047 Fax

E-mail to: info@texor.com

Jetta09Chicago April 22nd, 2009 17:16

Hi, PalosParked . . . I am glad to keep this thread going for us 2009 owners. Thanks so much for your new stations which I will add to the master list on Page 1.

Thunderstruck April 22nd, 2009 21:03

Good to see the thread is still alive. If I ever get a chance I'll check out Speedway on Touhy and the new Shell on 83@Higgins and see what their pumps say. I'll probably leave the car parked until the weekend rolls around and be doing the 2 wheeled thing since the weather has finally gotten nice.

Sip'n Diesel April 23rd, 2009 10:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetta09Chicago
Hi, PalosParked . . . I am glad to keep this thread going for us 2009 owners. Thanks so much for your new stations which I will add to the master list on Page 1.

I'm benefiting from this thread, and I have a 2003;)

Jetta09Chicago April 23rd, 2009 10:39

Hi Sip'n...I am glad you're with us here. While I originally intended to focus on the non-biodiesel issue, it is also helpful to get input on the availability of "premium" diesel locations. As a happy TDI newbie, I want to take great care of my new baby!

Sip'n Diesel April 23rd, 2009 11:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetta09Chicago
Hi Sip'n...I am glad you're with us here. While I originally intended to focus on the non-biodiesel issue, it is also helpful to get input on the availability of "premium" diesel locations. As a happy TDI newbie, I want to take great care of my new baby!

darn tootin', feed your baby only the best! besides premium, I am interested in any non-biodiesel because I just want to know what I'm pumping at any given time/location. this knowledge would be useful if my injection pump starts to leak, for example. it could also explain sudden increases/decreases in tank-averaged fuel economy, etc. I also want to know so I can decide whether or not to use an additive. the list goes on and on...

the bottom line for me is: there is (and has been) a LAW that requires these "jobber's" (I like that term, because that's all they are anyways:rolleyes::D) to comply with... it's not even a complicated law either... just put a friggin' sticker on there! geez... I think if I had any more free time I would be driving around looking for stations who are not in compliance and notifying the Dept. of Weights n' Measures or whatever the appropriate agency is:eek: darn, now I have another hobby:D!

BTW - I don't know about the 2009s, but I know my car was designed to run on 49+ cetane:cool:

pogopop77 April 28th, 2009 12:46

Hi all, don't mean to spam (I already started this thread: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=245861), but this thread appears to be very relevant. I'm interested in building a map of addresses/information about stations that you frequent that offer premium grade diesel. I saw a few lists of stations posted earlier, but I only want to add stations that folks on this forum use personally. Let me know your favorite place to fill up!

Thunderstruck April 28th, 2009 21:38

Just for grins I topped off this weekend at the new Shell at 83 and Higgins, and neither the pump or receipt said anything about bio content that I could see. I was happy, after a day of rolling around in the burbs I got the fuel economy display up to 48.2 MPG when I filled. Dropped down to 47.1 by the time I got home, but I can't complain.

Jetta09Chicago April 29th, 2009 10:44

Premium Non-Biodiesel Stations
 
I'm glad this thread is useful to 2009 and pre-2009 owners alike, as well folks outside Chicagoland! It would be great to get more listings of premium petrodiesel stations.

I am now updating the master list to add a notation where premium petrodiesel was confirmed. (In scouring throught the messages so far, we have identified one station in Winnetka and one in Hinsdale.)

Please let's try to be judicious when we use the term "premium." It would be best to limit "premium" to describe where a supplier has documented standards (e.g,. higher cetane ratings). However, let's not fall prey to marketing hyperbole when the standards are not documented. :cool:

Sip'n Diesel April 29th, 2009 11:49

... and we must also realize that if a given station has (confirmed) premium at this time, they may not have the same blend the next time their tanks are filled. if we can find a station who consistently offers premium diesel to consumers, perhaps they could automatically go to the top of the list:)

BTW - this is all complicated due to the marketing hype surrounding fuel quality. as we know, many stations claim "premium" diesel just because they have a certain additive package and/or bio-diesel blend. so, if we find some premium we should try to get as much info as possible. this could be problematic, for example: I find a station with a 49 cetane rating (confirmed via bill of lading or correspondence with the distributor.) OK. great. well, oops it is 49 cetane but it's also B11. d'oh! maybe that's good for me, but not necessarily good for '09 TDIs.

also, there is the matter of cetane rating versus index. I forget which is which but this is what I know: say D2 from the refinery is X cetane, well we all know that a small (B2?) bio-diesel blend increases the quality (cetane) of the fuel. additive packages also increase quality (cetane.) so, we would want to know before/after numbers, etc

question: what should our benchmark for premium be? 46 cetane? 47 cetane? 48 cetane? etc... would I be "greedy" if I said the minimum benchmark for "premium" should be 49 cetane? it is what my TDI was designed/engineered to run on afterall:cool:

FWIW - the gentleman with the 335d in Maryland said his bimmer calls for 51 cetane:eek: SHIZE

edit: I'm trying to find a specific thread I read many moons ago. it is basically "cetane rating versus index"
this is all I got so far, from the FAQ:
Quote:

7) Which of the following is false about the cetane rating of a fuel? a) The cetane index is a calculated value using the ASTM mid boiling point and API gravity. b) Aromatic (i.e. benzene-containing) compounds as a rule have lower cetane numbers than liquid paraffinic (i.e. saturated alkyl) hydrocarbons. c) A direct relationship is observed between a fuel's cetane rating and its energy of combustion. d) A correlation is observed between a fuel's cetane rating and its volatility and specific weight.
Quote:

Cetane - Diesel fuel is rated in cetane number (roughly analogous to gasoline octane). The common cetane rating is 40 to 45 in North America. A higher cetane rating number indicates a "premium" grade which is not required for the Volkswagen TDi. The use of a higher cetane fuel may increase performance and mileage, but generally costs more per gallon. Decide for yourself if the cost increase is offset by improvements in performance and mileage.
Quote:

Cetane Number/Cetane Index Cetane number is a relative measure of the interval between the beginning of injection and autoignition of the fuel. The higher the number, the shorter the delay interval. Fuels with low Cetane Numbers will cause hard starting, rough operation, noise and exhaust smoke. Current commercial fuel cetane requirements may not adequately address these customer satisfaction issues. Generally, diesel engines will operate better on fuels with cetane numbers above 50 compared to fuels with cetane numbers of the national average of approximately 45.
Cetane number may be increased through the refining process or the blending of combustion ignition improving additives by fuel suppliers.
Cetane index is an approximation of fuel ignition quality through measurement of distillation range and specific gravity. It is not affected by the use of combustion improver additives; therefore it produces an indication of the base cetane number of the fuel. http://www.tdiclub.com/articles/Diesel_Fuel_Guidlines/

Sip'n Diesel April 29th, 2009 14:16

FWIW - this is a very relevant link which was posted to popopop77's thread:
Quote:

Originally Posted by tditom
you may find this article interesting:
http://www.turbodieselregister.com/a...sel/Page1.html


Jetta09Chicago May 9th, 2009 18:21

Shell Update--NOT Exclusively Petrodiesel
 
This is an update to a previous posting dated 4/7/09 regarding Shell diesel in the Chicago area. At that time, Shell's corporate office claimed that all of their Chicago diesel was petrodiesel. Actually I have found that some Shell stations in this area do in fact sell biodiesel.

On 5/8/09 I visited the new Shell at 1805 East Oakton Street in Elk Grove Village. Their diesel pump has a sticker indicating a 6-20% biodiesel blend. Thus, 2009 owners cannot count on Shell being petrodiesel chain-wide.

On the master list, I have removed the link to Shell's station finder. Instead, we will need to list Shell's confirmed petrodiesel locations on a station-by-station basis. Thanks for any suggestions!

PalosParked May 13th, 2009 19:54

Jetta09....I visited the Speedway 6241 S Cass, Westmont..Price$2.259 but the pump is clearly marked bioblend 6 to 20%.
Shell ,210 E Ogden, Hinsdale is selling D2. Price April 28 was $2.299. Super clean and fast pumps clearly marked as diesel...receipt D2.
I'm still looking for that high cetane-premium stuff for Sip'n:cool:

dzcad90 May 18th, 2009 12:33

Thanks for that PalosParked. Ogden/Main is about 5 minutes from my office and I was wondering where I was going to fill with the '09 now. It's out of the way for on the way home fillups, but until we get confirmation on other B0-B5 stations, this will be it.

With the '03 I just used to fill up at the Thorntons by 63rd and 355. I also used to rely on the on the Thorntons that was at the end of the block by my house in west Joliet, ultra convienent however they are in the B5-20% club.

I wonder where Pugi filled up my car when I bought it? They're by the Ogden/355/88 CF.

PalosParked June 3rd, 2009 20:22

Good and Bad news..D2 at BP, Ogden and Main, Downers Grove
 
Quote:

Thanks for that PalosParked. Ogden/Main is about 5 minutes from my office and I was wondering where I was going to fill with the '09 now
dzcad90, I went by the BP (in Downers) yesterday for a fill up. The credit card reader at the diesel pump is now broken and you are supposed to prepay inside. I asked them to reset the pump and I would pay inside with my credit card when I was done with my fill and we knew how much it took. All I got was a blank stare..no reset (BTW I asked twice). The D2 price is $$2.799 and I don't play that prepay routine very well. End result..They lost my business. ....And I just switched to a BP credit card :( Oh well.
I left the BP and went to the Shell at Ogden & York in Hinsdale for the fill. Price now $2.549. It's an owner operated (family) independant Shell. Much cleaner and better run than the BP.
My God have I become finicky??? ;)
BTW..I was at a Shell, 12311 S Archer, Lemont The Shell locator doesn't show diesel for them. But they have a diesel pump forD2. This is another independantly owned Shell station. I contacted their distributor http://www.parentpetroleum.com/home.asp (630-584-2505) who said that they would put together a list of other local D2 stations that they supply. (Sip'n, I did ask them to include any info on any premium - high cetane fuel that they supply.)
I do have some good news!...I found out that Atlas Oil Co just bought 33 more stations in the SW Chicago, NW Indianna area (I think 100+ now). And the BP at Ogden and Cass is one of them! They take over later this month so lets watch for some improvements there. Atlas gets it's D2 from BP Whiting facility. I asked them for a list of all their stations in the Chicago area that will supply diesel. I will let you know how they respond. www.atlasoil.com

N8116B June 4th, 2009 13:37

I did not see this one listed yet.

Thornton's
Cary, IL
800 NW Hwy
At the corner of NW Hwy and Three Oaks Road.
They carry ULSD

2 pumps, one on each end of all the islands and it is the smaller nozzle that fits into the Jetta filler just fine.

BTL June 4th, 2009 14:10

Last I knew, Gas City was petro. I just emailed them to confirm.

SoBeItJetta June 6th, 2009 19:02

PalosParked, thanks for posting about two things I've been meaning to get around to mentioning here! I had the exact same experience at the Downers/Ogden BP a few weeks ago - and I also left without any fuel. Came home and fired off an email to BP at their corporate site. Reponse so far? Crickets. Apparently getting the credit card reader fixed is a REALLY low priority, since my run-in with them was at least 3-4 weeks ago, if not more.
I've been using the Lemont Shell station you mentioned pretty regularly since then, as it's on my way to work in Orland Park. Glad you could verify that it's D2 - I figured it probably was, since there were no bio stickers on the pumps and that station just re-opened as a Shell not too long ago. (it was previously a BP). So far, I really like going there - the diesel shares a pump with regular gas AND you can actually use your credit card at the pump! Hooray! I think one of these days I will need to actually go inside and thank them for that!

PalosParked June 6th, 2009 22:38

Poor service at BP in Downers Grove, IL
 
SoBeItJetta, You're welcome. Good to know that a I'm not the lone ranger in not playing well with "pay first pumps'. I'm still emailing back and forth with the Atlas Oil Co district manager. He has said that he would try to help provide us with a listing of their Atlas owned, Chicago area service stations selling D2. An Atlas rep in Granger, Indianna told me that they don't officially 'take over' the BP in DG until (I think she said) June 16th. The service station will then be managed by a third party- supposedly top notch. I have supplied the district manager with a link to this thread so that he could see what we are all about. I'll let you know when he can give us more news.

Thunderstruck June 7th, 2009 00:17

Whiting is where the premium diesel used to be made. The BP at York and Butterfield got their price for diesel mentioned on chicagogasprices a couple of weeks ago, and they were at 2.75 while the rest of the stations I go to were at 2.39. It might be good, but it's not that good.

dzcad90 June 7th, 2009 21:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by PalosParked
dzcad90, I went by the BP (in Downers) yesterday for a fill up. The credit card reader at the diesel pump is now broken and you are supposed to prepay inside. I asked them to reset the pump and I would pay inside with my credit card when I was done with my fill and we knew how much it took. All I got was a blank stare..no reset (BTW I asked twice). The D2 price is $$2.799 and I don't play that prepay routine very well. End result..They lost my business. ....And I just switched to a BP credit card :( Oh well.

PP: Yeah, I went there right after memorial day and had the same experience. I had a gift card that I wanted to finish off , so I stuck my gift card in and it took about 5 minutes to authorize. The whole pump was pretty much running in 8088 mode, and I never did get a receipt out of it. I then looked around and most of the other pumps had stickers over the CC reader.

It's still my standby if I need fuel and I'm heading north. The Mobil on 83 right north of I-55 on the east side of the road is also a good choice. I drove around for about 30 minutes one afternoon looking for a pure D2 station, and this is the closest thing I found south of my office.

We still gotta schedule a Chicago area GTG!

Jetta09Chicago June 8th, 2009 00:00

Thanks Everyone!
 
Thanks for all your recent posts in keeping this thread alive! I am continuing to update the master list on Page 1 with your recent contributions. Please keep your suggestions coming.

With the exception of Meijer, it appears there are no other chain-wide sources of petrodiesel. Rather, D2 is available only at certain specific BP, Fuller's, Marathon, Mobil, Shell, Speedway and Thornton's stations.

Hopefully this grass-roots listing will be even more helpful as we expand it. I've noticed that we've listed a number of suburbs, but it would be great if we could get some confirmed D2 stations in the City of Chicago.

BTL June 10th, 2009 09:10

There is also a Meijer in Oswego on Rt. 34 and about Douglass road. I am assuming that is Petro. I will be checking it out soon.

BTL June 10th, 2009 09:13

I should also add that I am quite concerned at the lack of petro that is seemingly available. I am heading down to Florida soon for vacation, so I am guessing I will have fewer issues.

I have a Speedway, Thorntons, Shell, Mobil, and BP by my house. I need to scout them and find out who sells petro. Seems to be a shot in the dark.

PalosParked June 10th, 2009 20:21

Sip'n....Did I get your attention?
 
http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/500/medium/Jimmy_s.JPG

Sip'n ...Just go south on Dixie Highway. When you get to the end of the road keep going. When you pass Miller's 2nd cousin's old barn take a right. Go 20 minutes and watch for Pererson's bar and hunt club. Jimmy's will be there on your right. ....enjoy! (cetane at your own risk) :D

All kidding aside...Jimmy's is at 260 N Cass Ave(47th and Cass), Westmont, IL. 630-969-2323 Owner (Jimmy of course) said that he has high turnover even at $3.259 per gallon. Won't talk cetane but says that he orders it from Citgo distributor as premium grade. Says try it and see if don't agree..more mileage, less smoke, better engine life. Didn't reveal distributor name.

http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/500/med...iesel_Pump.jpg

Thunderstruck June 10th, 2009 21:01

3.25?? Guess I won't complain about 2.49 up in these parts. It would be interesting to know what other stations get Premium from his distributor. If you ever see a tanker truck there, see if you can find out.

PalosParked June 10th, 2009 21:22

'remium' diesel ...oops freudian slip
 
Thunderstruck.. will do and have been.
District mgr of Atlas Oil called me this afternoon. They take over the BP (Ogden and Main) next week. Nice guy and knows his stuff. He is going to get back to me which of their stations have diesel tanks. They are buying the stations and then selling them to managers. Anyone interested?

Jetta09Chicago June 10th, 2009 22:25

Hi everyone . . . Some news and notes . . .

Possible Biodiesel Solution for 2009+ Owners. I just came across a new thread that might be of interest: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=249514. Apparently Chevron Oronite has developed a new product called Oronite Lubricating Oil Additive (OLOA) that is intended to address the adverse effects of biodiesel. I have contacted Oronite to ask if they are pursuing approval of OLOA by Volkswagen. It would be interesting to see if VWoA has comments on this product.

My First Premium Diesel Tank! Last weekend I took my first out-of-state road trip and came across the elusive Amoco Premier Diesel at a BP station in South Haven, Michigan. Interestingly the APD was offered in ULSD at a dual pump that also dispensed non-premium LSD ($0.10/gallon difference). I couldn't resist giving it a whirl! Since that fill-up I have had great fuel economy, but it's difficult to isolate the effect of premium diesel vs. primarily highway driving due to the road trip.

Thanks so much for the recent additions and deletions to our list. I especially like the idea of contacting diesel distributors because they are the source! It would be great to merge the lists from several distributors.

Sip'n Diesel June 11th, 2009 00:05

LMAO! just ask Jimmy if he can supply a copy of either an MSDS or a bill of lading;)

I agree though, to a certain extent. if your TDI runs SIGNIFICANTLY better on his "remium diesel" then I would say we're onto something here:D

it's also a possibility that some places selling "premium diesel" are only simply blending it with bio-diesel, as it increases cetane similar to how additives like Stanadyne and PowerService do

:confused:IIRC, if <5% bio no label is required in Illinois. 6%-20% bio gets the "one-size-fits-all" label, and >20% bio must say what BXX blend it actually is. also, IIRC, B11 is where the $$tax break$$ begins??

totally off-topic: I bought some B99 today @ $3.07 X 4 gallons and I got a copy of the MSDS... 50.8 cetane:p

I need to scan it and post it in a different thread FWIW:cool:

dzcad90 June 11th, 2009 17:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by PalosParked
http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/500/medium/Jimmy_s.JPG



All kidding aside...Jimmy's is at 260 N Cass Ave(47th and Cass), Westmont, IL. 630-969-2323 Owner (Jimmy of course) said that he has high turnover even at $3.259 per gallon.

Filled up here once a few years ago when I was much less familiar with the burbs. Was rolling down Ogden Ave in my MkIV going west and stopped everywhere but nobody sold diesel. A guy told me to head down Cass and someone sold diesel. The light had been on for a LONG time and I was desperate. Paid their gorilla prices for about 3 gallons and went home. I now avoid this place like the plague on principal alone.

I guess the only guy selling water in the desert can charge what he wishes though :)

Thunderstruck June 11th, 2009 22:09

That's good, because in the past the one at Ogden and Main has had good prices, I think due to the Speedway down the street. For those just passing through, you can go down Highland Ave which turns into Main around Ogden.

BTL June 12th, 2009 11:41

Any ideas where to get petro near Joliet? I can't find anywhere but a Meijer....

Thunderstruck June 13th, 2009 20:34

Correction to post #40 from a while back-I stopped at the Shell at 83 and Higgins, and now the pump does have a sticker stating the fuel contains bio from 5-20%. Ah well. Wound up heading down the road to JAM trucking to fuel up instead.

PalosParked June 13th, 2009 22:50

Jetta09, While you're editing please add:
Worth
Worth Marathon
(Woodstock Petroleum)
11501 S HARLEM AVE
WORTH, IL 60482
708-671-1791

Manager confirmed D2 current price $2.659 @6/13/09
Thanks

PalosParked June 15th, 2009 12:46

Chicagoland D2 service stations, requested list from Chicagoland Distributor
 
Hey guys,

I just realized that I had not asked Texor Petroleum, http://www.texor.com/index.html if they could give us a list of greater Chicagoland service stations to which they distribute D2. Arnie at Texor was one of the people who helped me to understand diesel winterization and gave me Fullers in Hinsdale and Marathon in Markam. He's willing to help us. Arnie said he'd put together a list of D2 stations for us. Just give him a couple of weeks.

Guess what? ..Just like every other industry now-a-days, there is some consolidation going on in the Chicagoland wholesale fuel distribution industry.... They (Texor) now service the Marathon listed in Worth (above). There's now one less petroleum distributor. Seems Texor, like Atlas, is buying.

FYI - Diesel (and RUG) prices are going up. If you find a service station with low price, fill 'er up before they get their next delivery.

Jetta09Chicago June 16th, 2009 10:00

PalosParked, thanks for all your great work getting in touch with the diesel distributors! You always have good info to share.

CornfieldCraig June 16th, 2009 10:37

This study examined the use of B5 and B20 blends with a DPF in a CR engine. It's very interesting, if very scientific: http://www.nrel.gov/vehiclesandfuels...pdfs/40015.pdf

I'm not a scientist, so I may be misinterpreting the results, but as I read it, the Diesel Particulate Filter actually performed better with biodiesel blends than with petrodiesel, as it reached a "Balance Point" (DPF inlet temperature at which the rate of particle oxidation approximately equals the rate of particle collection") at a significantly lower temperature and burned away particulates at a faster rate as well.

My main concern with biodiesel blends in my 2009 has been the DPF, but maybe that's misplaced. It could be that the real concern is the oil dilution, related acids, and the resulting corrosion. If so, then maybe this new oil additive from Chevron is the solution, or maybe we Illinoisans need to plan to change our oil more frequently.

I don't think this took into consideration the effects of ambient temperature, so I wonder how winter weather might affect the DPF performance results.

Has anyone found the Chevron Lubricating Oil Additive in stores or online?

CornfieldCraig June 16th, 2009 13:47

UPDATED 7/2/2009

Feece Oil in Batavia, Minooka, and Ottawa has 100% petrodiesel (not correct...see below). The price today is $2.65/gal, which is the same price I paid today at Meijer in Aurora. The pumps are open 24x7. This is a great family-run operation. Very nice people. Ironically, I used to go there to buy biodiesel when I couldn't get it elsewhere.

1700 Hubbard Drive, Batavia (B1 or B11, depending upon the time of year)
517 Twin Rail Drive, Minooka (B1 and B11)
701 Hitt Street (Route 71), Ottawa (no retail pumps)

The phone number for all three is 888.879.1911.

CORRECTION: Apparently, the person I spoke to the first time wasn't completely well-informed. Sorry about the misinformation.

Feece sells both B1 and B11, but no straight petrodiesel from their retail pumps.

BTL June 17th, 2009 06:48

Joliet/Romeoville/Crest Hill Area....Weber Road and Renwick Road.

Phillips 66 Diesel Pumps are labeled as ULSD, no mention of Bio Blend. Now, I know this does not ensure it is petro, but I wanted to mention it. Perhaps someone can confirm?

BTL June 17th, 2009 13:36

One more...Rt. 34 and Orchard Road in Montgomery/Oswego. Mobil. New station, well-maintained. Did not have a chance to talk to the staff, but ULSD label, no mention of BD blend.

N8116B June 17th, 2009 19:28

Found another ULSD station
Mobile
WALDEN SERVICES
1601 E ALGONQUIN RD
SCHAUMBURG, IL 60173-4117
(847) 397-2244

lovemybug June 17th, 2009 19:42

If anyone gets up to the border area, the BP station in Genoa City, WI, just off Hwy 12 has posted right on their sign they have no biofuel in their diesel.

jcrews June 17th, 2009 22:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by N8116B
I did not see this one listed yet.

Thornton's
Cary, IL
800 NW Hwy
At the corner of NW Hwy and Three Oaks Road.
They carry ULSD

2 pumps, one on each end of all the islands and it is the smaller nozzle that fits into the Jetta filler just fine.

I get fuel from there all the time and it's always been B11. Did they change to straight petro?

N8116B June 18th, 2009 05:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcrews
I get fuel from there all the time and it's always been B11. Did they change to straight petro?

I did not see a B11 sign only the green and white ULSD sign.

b4black June 18th, 2009 06:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by BTL
One more...Rt. 34 and Orchard Road in Montgomery/Oswego. Mobil. New station, well-maintained. Did not have a chance to talk to the staff, but ULSD label, no mention of BD blend.

That station has straight diesel and so does the BP accross the steet.

jcrews June 18th, 2009 10:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by N8116B
I did not see a B11 sign only the green and white ULSD sign.

I'll look today, but the pump has had a sticker "this fuel contains biodiesel 5-20%"

BTL June 18th, 2009 11:12

A couple of things here...

My feeling, or guess, is that a low BD blend like B11 could be used if you changed the oil at say, 5k miles, thus neutralizing the oil dilution issue. thoughts?

Feece says they also sell "Highway Diesel," which doesn't say anything about BD blend. Anyone used this fuel and is it truly low BD?

N8116B June 18th, 2009 11:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcrews
I'll look today, but the pump has had a sticker "this fuel contains biodiesel 5-20%"

That would be great. maybe I just missed seeing that sticker. I work just down the street from their and it would be very convenient for me to fill up at that station.

BTW do you know if the independent station on Rt14 by the Wendy's and Colfax Rd is petro ULSD? His signs on the pump just said low sulfer diesel.

PalosParked June 18th, 2009 11:57

Highway diesel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BTL
A couple of things here...
Feece says they also sell "Highway Diesel," which doesn't say anything about BD blend. Anyone used this fuel and is it truly low BD?

There are a lot of terms that people use. Some of which can be misleading to us. Pretty much the term "Highway Diesel" means that the fuel is taxed for street use as opposed to the (dyed) farm use diesel which is not taxed the same.
So, the "Highway Diesel" could either be straight diesel or a bio blended diesel. The distributors I've spoken with use the terms "diesel" and "bio blended diesel" for automotive use. When we go to a new service station, we need to hope that the pumps are properly marked, the service station attendants are knowledgeable, +/or we need to verify with their distributor or delivery paperwork if we feel the need to question further.
BTW..It's not the end of the world if you take a tank of B11. It will be diluted by the diesel already in your tank. If concerned, drive a little and top off with diesel again to dilute the bioblend further. From what I can tell, the bio fuel is more expensive than the diesel. As a result, If they are going for profit, then they will put in as little Bio as possible to get over the 10% rule and receive the sales tax exemption. .....so IMHO you're probably not getting any B20 from a pump labeled bioblended diesel 6 to 20%.
And I don't think anyone is actually producing bioblend diesel 5% or less for regular use..(probably special order)..it's just that there could be small residuals of bio left in the transport truck or pipeline. So <5% covers all the bases.

BTL June 18th, 2009 11:58

Got a VERY fast response from Feece..

Hello Brett

Below is a submission that we got from our web site from you earlier. I am happy to say that we have B1 & B11 available at our retail pumps. We also have B5 available only for delivery in bulk, minimum bulk delivery is 5,000 gallons.
I hope this answers your question & Thank You very much for visiting Feece Oil
Please feel free to contact us again.

Good news...B1 would be nice. Locations are a little from me, even at work, but hey, a source for some of us.

BTL June 18th, 2009 12:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by b4black
That station has straight diesel and so does the BP accross the steet.

Just curious...have you talked to staff there or verified another way?

The stupid Mobil on 55 and rt. 30 in Joliet has bio stickers, which is why I am asking.

jcrews June 18th, 2009 12:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by N8116B
That would be great. maybe I just missed seeing that sticker. I work just down the street from their and it would be very convenient for me to fill up at that station.

BTW do you know if the independent station on Rt14 by the Wendy's and Colfax Rd is petro ULSD? His signs on the pump just said low sulfer diesel.

I haven't been to HP sprinter in 5 years. I just confirmed with the station operator at Thornton that they discontinued B11. The stickers are no longer there too.

BTL June 18th, 2009 12:58

They just redid the pumps at my throntons, and there are not any bio stickers. Perhaps they are shifting away from bio?

Thunderstruck June 18th, 2009 20:36

All Thorntons are? That would be excellent news as I always got great mileage with the fuel from the one at York and Devon. I wonder if the tide is turning against biofuels? A lot of people complained it led to higher fuel prices, so it may be politically correct not to not use bio (diesel, E85 etc.)

Jetta09Chicago June 18th, 2009 23:23

VWoA Response RE Oronite Lubricating Oil Additive
 
This is a follow-up to my Post #60 regarding the new Oronite Lubricating Oil Additive (OLOA) as a potential solution to biodiesel effects. I contacted Volkswagen of America, and here is their response, which I received on June 12:

"Thank you for your e-mail regarding your interest our 2009 Jetta TDI and the current diesel options available on the market. I understand you are seeking to know if Volkswagen has researched the use of a lubricating oil additive in our cars. Our TDI technology has generated a lot of interest in diesel energy, and I am happy to respond to your question.

"Please know Volkswagen is always looking for ways to improve upon our already efficient, reliable, and enjoyable vehicles. With this in mind, I regret I do not have details on the specifics of the research that is being conducted by our engineers. Please know, however, at this time, we do not recommend the use of additives in the fuels or oils that go into our cars. I hope this information is helpful, and again, I am thankful you took the time to contact us.

"As a member of the Volkswagen family, your questions are important to us. Again, thank you for your e-mail. If I may be of future assistance regarding this, or any other matter, please donít hesitate to contact me again by e-mail at www.vw.com, or through our Customer CARE Center at (800) 822-8987. If I am not available one of my colleagues will be able to assist you."

[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Sincerely,[/FONT]

Daniel Rogers
Ext. 43372
Customer CARE Advocate

N8116B June 19th, 2009 01:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetta09Chicago
This is a follow-up to my Post #60 regarding the new Oronite Lubricating Oil Additive (OLOA) as a potential solution to biodiesel effects. I contacted Volkswagen of America, and here is their response, which I received on June 12:

"Thank you for your e-mail regarding your interest our 2009 Jetta TDI and the current diesel options available on the market. I understand you are seeking to know if Volkswagen has researched the use of a lubricating oil additive in our cars. Our TDI technology has generated a lot of interest in diesel energy, and I am happy to respond to your question.

"Please know Volkswagen is always looking for ways to improve upon our already efficient, reliable, and enjoyable vehicles. With this in mind, I regret I do not have details on the specifics of the research that is being conducted by our engineers. Please know, however, at this time, we do not recommend the use of additives in the fuels or oils that go into our cars. I hope this information is helpful, and again, I am thankful you took the time to contact us.

"As a member of the Volkswagen family, your questions are important to us. Again, thank you for your e-mail. If I may be of future assistance regarding this, or any other matter, please donít hesitate to contact me again by e-mail at www.vw.com, or through our Customer CARE Center at (800) 822-8987. If I am not available one of my colleagues will be able to assist you."

[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Sincerely,[/font]

Daniel Rogers
Ext. 43372
Customer CARE Advocate

That is a pretty long winded answer to saw he knows nothing and is not going to bother trying to find out.

All of Us June 19th, 2009 08:19

Long winded say nothing answer
 
That's the VW corporate way! Even worse than politicians.

Dan

b4black June 19th, 2009 08:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by BTL
Just curious...have you talked to staff there or verified another way?

The stupid Mobil on 55 and rt. 30 in Joliet has bio stickers, which is why I am asking.

Most Big Oil stations are franchises, so they all have different owners. The owners choose to use biodiesel or not.

I test the fuel by sticking some in a glass jar and then put it in the refridegator. B11 will have junk fall out in a day or two, straight diesel will remain clean.

N8116B June 19th, 2009 18:06

Stopped at the Citgo station at
5604 S Il Route 31
Crystal Lake, IL 60014-4518
(815) 477-1078

This is at the SE corner of Rt 176 and Rt 31 and the pumps are marked ULSD with no bio-diesel sticker anywhere to be seen.

dzcad90 June 20th, 2009 21:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by BTL
They just redid the pumps at my throntons, and there are not any bio stickers. Perhaps they are shifting away from bio?

The pumps at the Thorntons at Jefferson and Infantry were recently redone and they have the Bio stickers. When I had my '03 a few months back you could definitely smell the bio burning..

However, to my surprise, the Delta Sonic and Jefferson and Larkin does not have Bio stickers on the pump. Filled up there mid-week this week and so far have ran through a quarter tank. Not pleased with the mileage, however I've only done some in town and one trip to Hammond and back with 4 people in the car, so that might be a contributing factor.

The Ammoco at 55 and Jefferson st was closed. It looked like they were either getting new pumps or getting all the pumps serviced.

Jetta09Chicago June 21st, 2009 10:55

Wauconda BP
 
For those of you driving through the far northwest suburbs, I found a non-biodiesel station in Wauconda:

BP
512 W. Liberty St. (Route 176, just east of Route 59)
Wauconda, IL 60084
847-487-8303

The product is branded as "Amoco Diesel," and the cashier on duty confirmed that it is non-bio. The pump receipt says, "DIESEL No. 2."

PalosParked June 21st, 2009 17:17

Chicago area diesel fuel (non-bio) locations on Google Maps
 
I was playing with google maps today...(I really need to get a life) and created the following:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...50faa8ddb6b1f5
It's a liitle bit of a PIA in that I haven't figured out how to allow edit and collaboration priviledges so multiple TDIclub members could assist. Problem is that each contributor creates their own database and I'm not sure how to merge all the input to then show in single (database) map.
Anyone worked with google sites or google maps? Comments?

N8116B June 21st, 2009 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by N8116B
Stopped at the Citgo station at
5604 S Il Route 31
Crystal Lake, IL 60014-4518
(815) 477-1078

This is at the SE corner of Rt 176 and Rt 31 and the pumps are marked ULSD with no bio-diesel sticker anywhere to be seen.

It also appears that the Citgo in Woodstock on Rt47 and the one at the intersection of Rt14 and Rt176 on the west side of Crystal Lake are ULSD non-bio stations. I need to stop in an confirm, but a quick drive by did not show any bio-stickers, only the ULSD ones.

Thunderstruck June 21st, 2009 22:38

What about a POI file for people with GPS? Check out http://www.poiedit.com/. I have a lot of custom POI files on my Nuvi, including ULSD stations, hot dog places, Wal Mart, red light cameras, Costco etc.
As an on topic note, I stopped by Meijer in Rolling Meadows and their pump didn't have a bio sticker on it today.

corrado-correr June 22nd, 2009 05:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by b4black
I test the fuel by sticking some in a glass jar and then put it in the refridegator. B11 will have junk fall out in a day or two, straight diesel will remain clean.

This is a property of the cloud point of the fuel and is not exclusive to biodiesel.

Jetta09Chicago June 22nd, 2009 10:17

PalosParked, the Google Map you created is an excellent resource! I have been wanting to create something like this, but you beat me to it. If you could private-message me with a link to the instructions, I would be happy to update the map each time I make additions/deletions to the master list.:)

Thunderstruck, I have used the Rolling Meadows Meijer several times, and it is already on the list. I had confirmed with Meijer's corporate office that all of their stations offer non-biodiesel D2. Downstate, their Urbana station offers both non-bio and bio.

PalosParked June 22nd, 2009 20:27

Google Map-Chicago Area Highway Diesel Fuel (non Bio)Service Station Locations
 
Here's the map link:
.
Jetta09Chicago, IM sent, Glad you liked the google map. Thank you for creating and maintaining the source lists and keeping the thread going! Without the contributions of the members here, that map would only have 9 items on it!
.
I think that with the graphical representation, we will attract a lot more interest and many more contributors. The fuel disributors I contacted (Atlas, Texor, and Parent Petroleum) apparently don't have easily seachable/sortable/printable databases for highway diesel (excluding bio) service stations that they can send us. So, I wanted to present a carrot to them and show them that one hand can wash the other. I have again sent links to them to show them what we are about...it's not just a request by one guy who buys 13 gallons every week or two. The TDI with it's frugal high mileage is its own worst enemy from an attention getting volume buying standpoint. :D
.
Thunderstruck, Hmmm..very interesting! (poiedit.com) Thank you. It looks like it works with mapquest and excel as well as the gps units. My magellan has a software error...need I say more? I've been using my Iphone 3g so downloadable points of interest never even entered my mind. It's worth checking into for those that rely on their gps units.

Jetta09Chicago June 23rd, 2009 10:48

Non-Biodiesel Fuel Testing
 
I have some exciting news. An engineer from a U.S. auto manufacturer came across this thread and contacted me privately. He has offered to perform analytic testing of locally available diesel that will help us understand such issues as biodiesel content, cetane, water contamination, etc.

Last night I collected samples from three stations and shipped them out for analysis. The stations included in this test are:

1. BP (Roselle) - There seems to be a lot of interest in this board in BP and legacy "Amoco" products. We know that locally available BP diesel is sourced from the Whiting, Indiana, refinery. The Roselle station had no clue as to bio content, so this will help us understand what we are getting when the product is branded as Amoco Diesel.

2. Mobil (Des Plaines Oasis) - I selected this station because Mobil has a lock on the Illinois Tollway Oases throughout the metro region. Since they are on the highway, I am assuming they are high-turnover facilities. I have confirmed that the oases sell petrodiesel, but would like to know more about the cetane and overall quality of this fuel.

3. Meijer (Rolling Meadows) - Meijer diesel has generated a mixture of positive and negative reviews on tdiclub.com. At the same time, the corporate office has informed me that all Meijer Gas Stations in the Chicago area sell only petrodiesel, which they market at Meijer Premium Diesel. So this test will help us understand the extent of any "premium" properties compared to "non-premium" fuel samples.

When I receive the results, I will be happy to share them and get your reactions. Stay tuned!


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