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maktas September 1st, 2009 13:45

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Originally Posted by abctdi
Unfortuneately, safety is measured in death and disability, not to mention litigation. How many here became dead or disabled because of this?
I think the egr hesitation of yesteryear caused more actual angst and poopy pants than the chain has. Nevertheless, it should be geared.

Yes, stats are working against us here, especially since only 20,000 of these were produced.... I think Toyota produces 20,000 Camrys in less than 3 months!!!
Bottom line is that VW doesn't want loyal customers, since they hung us BHW owners out to dry. How many BHW owers will buy a new VW in the future raise your hands!

blaz September 2nd, 2009 05:59

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Originally Posted by maktas
How many BHW owers will buy a new VW in the future raise your hands!

Well, I'm happy with my Passat despite the BS problem. And so far it has all just been routine maintenance. That extended warranty I bought hasn't been put into play, but it does give me the security to run this thing to 160K km before fixing the BS.

The only other car I drove to over 120K (Pontiac Montana) also had issues. They even had a class action suit for the bad gaskets, and I got $100 back (so little $ because they weren't a problem until over 140k).

Maybe there are other cars out there that don't fall apart as they get older, but I've never owned one. So, yes, I'd buy another VW. I'd buy another 2005 Passat too if the price was right.

PlaneCrazy September 2nd, 2009 06:04

Just make sure you document the BS issue properly at the dealer.

You're right about older cars falling apart, especially in the Quebec (and Ontario) climate. Our '98 Honda cost us about $6k to fix in 2006, when it had about the same mileage that our TDI has right now. No engine issues other than O2 sensor (a whopping $600 to fix!!!!) but lots of other crap. I got lucky on the BS thing with a 75% settlement from VW, so overall I'm not complaining too much.

The good news is that September is my last month of payments on the car, whoo hoo!

maktas September 2nd, 2009 06:05

I would consider buying a VW again if VW provided lifetime powertrain warranty or at least doubled their current warranty.

I have clear documentation (by way of 2 months of email correspondence) from my VW service manager basically telling me they have not heard of this BS issue, have no clue, VW will not do anything on their free will, oh by the way, "you can bring your car in but we will charge you for diagnosis and furthermore, if you want use to drop your lower engine to take a look, we will charge you for that if we don't see anything wrong"...

Why the f*^% would I buy a $30,000 car from these assoles and morons again???

PC.... consider yourself very lucky....

oilhammer September 2nd, 2009 06:13

It's a shame the cars themselves get tarnished due to company politics and poor dealer support. :(

maktas September 2nd, 2009 06:16

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Originally Posted by oilhammer
It's a shame the cars themselves get tarnished due to company politics and poor dealer support. :(

If I ever find the guy(s) who was responsible for this BHW design, I may punch him out! We can settle this engineer to "german engineer" ;)

right now I am dealing with a noise issue on a seat mechanism design (my work).... only happens at 6-19 Hz, and is very very minor....but I have to deal with it an fix it. Why didn't these VW morons in Wolfsburg deal with something that has cost all of us, made our vehicles sound like a kitchen blender and put us at risk of doing massive damage to the engine if the chain fails?? This issue has wiped out all the fuel savings I expect for the life of the vehicle!! So what's the point of having a TDI if we have to deal with bad design and sh|ty service?

PlaneCrazy September 2nd, 2009 07:17

I've got to admit the BHW front end design is not too brilliant. No doubt a chain drive could have been made to work OK, if it was properly designed: suitably durable components, etc.

But when I saw that tensioner casting with my own eyes after it was surgically extracted from my vehicle, I immediately understood why the BS module is such an issue with the BHW. Way too flimsy in my eyes.

But I'm with Oil. Otherwise the car is a brilliant piece of work. Ours, at 183,000 km, is still like driving a bank vault. I thought I heard a new rattle on the weekend... the car doesn't have any... and it turned out to be my wife's stethoscope lying on the back seat and rattling against a seat belt buckle.

The only other design issue I have with it is the front suspension design, something they fixed on the B6 (i.e. made cheaper). It's very complex and expensive to fix after 100,000 miles of beating against Quebec roads.

With the BS thing fixed, I'm hoping for at least 300k km out of it before rust claims it, and if possible, 500k. It all depends on how much we drive it!

abctdi September 2nd, 2009 08:15

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Originally Posted by maktas
If I ever find the guy(s) who was responsible for this BHW design, I may punch him out! We can settle this engineer to "german engineer" ;)

right now I am dealing with a noise issue on a seat mechanism design (my work).... only happens at 6-19 Hz, and is very very minor....but I have to deal with it an fix it. Why didn't these VW morons in Wolfsburg deal with something that has cost all of us, made our vehicles sound like a kitchen blender and put us at risk of doing massive damage to the engine if the chain fails?? This issue has wiped out all the fuel savings I expect for the life of the vehicle!! So what's the point of having a TDI if we have to deal with bad design and sh|ty service?

Don't hold back your feelings on our account...

maktas September 2nd, 2009 10:09

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Originally Posted by PlaneCrazy
But I'm with Oil. Otherwise the car is a brilliant piece of work. Ours, at 183,000 km, is still like driving a bank vault.

Well my dad's old 1990 Olds w/ 3800 V6 went 500,000 KMs with only tune ups, routinely got mid to upper 20's fuel economy on the hwy. Our old old 1986 Surbaru GL sedan went 350,000 KMs before being rear ended and totaled.... the engine (1.6L I-4) was still running like clockwork, again, no major issues prior. My dad's current 2002 Buick with the same GM 3800 V6 is on track to do the same.

After the BS issue, 2 rack and pinons early on, and possible worn out cams in the future...I can't really justify my B5.5 being "brilliant" when I compare to GM. Even Brandon in Toronto who did my BS module has doubts about these PD engines in general compared to VE engines (no doubt because of what he sees in his shop)

IMO GM's 3800 V6 is brilliant.

maktas September 2nd, 2009 10:13

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Originally Posted by abctdi
Don't hold back your feelings on our account...

I would punch him out after I force him into giving me $3500 CDN (or the equivilent in euros ;) )

v8volvo September 2nd, 2009 10:51

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Originally Posted by maktas
IMO GM's 3800 V6 is brilliant.

Just watch out for that plastic intake manifold warping and hydrolocking the engine... :eek:

oilhammer September 2nd, 2009 10:59

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Originally Posted by v8volvo
Just watch out for that plastic intake manifold warping and hydrolocking the engine... :eek:

That's only half of it. ;)

Hehe, lets applaud mediocrity... :rolleyes:

GM bandaided that poor engine for 20 years beyond what its lifecycle should have been simply because they could not come up with anything better. And they even sold that engine to AMC then bought it back! LOL!

1960's technology!!! Yeah, I guess if it works, it works. Not my cup of tea. Seen plenty of 'em with problems, too. No longer in production. I guess even GM finally had to come to grips with the fact that not everyone wanted the same thing their father had. :p

Of course, you Canadians prolly do not have as much of a problem with GM as us poor folks that watched our tax dollars go to bailing the SOBs out, only to watch them go down in flames in bankruptcy anyways a couple months later. What a waste.

blaz September 2nd, 2009 10:59

Well, maktas, you've definitely had better luck with high mileage cars than I have.

But I do agree with you about the VW dealerships. There are two in Toronto that I'll never go to again, but luckily we have Brandon (a good independent mechanic) there. And there is the Orillia dealership that, so far, has been reasonable. And I've heard of a few others in the Ontario forum.

But I've had similar dealership problems with my GM and Chrysler cars. Eventually I found a GM dealer in Huntsville who didn't treat me like dirt. So I'm not so sure that it's strictly a VW problem.

PlaneCrazy September 2nd, 2009 11:43

My worst ever dealership problem was with a GM dealer. A real joke and the car was even worse. Fortunately I had the pleasure of buying a brand-new Honda from the same showroom about 13 years later. The GM dealer went belly-up and the local Honda dealer bought the building to have bigger digs as Honda sales were increasing and the original dealership had become too small. Talk about poetic justice :D

abctdi September 2nd, 2009 12:17

X car manufacture/dealer sucks...


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