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bhtooefr February 6th, 2020 15:42

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpsd0yRYk8c

(I'd have combined the Prius Prime with the PHV, seeing as it's the second generation of the PHV, but hey.)

turbobrick240 February 6th, 2020 16:28

Wow, that's impressive watching how quickly the Model 3 jumped to the top of the heap. I think the Model Y might even be more dramatic.

kjclow February 7th, 2020 06:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbobrick240 (Post 5570124)
It's not just about protecting the environment or saving money for most EV buyers. People want the cool new tech, self driving capabilities, crazy acceleration etc. That's why Tesla making performance and cutting edge tech. key elements of their cars was a brilliant move.

Quote:

Originally Posted by IndigoBlueWagon (Post 5570318)
I heard a pundit on a financial channel say something yesterday that rung true: People are buying Teslas because Elon has made the brand attractive. That it's an EV is tangential to some buyers. They just want to be driving a Tesla.

The few people I know that own a tesla bought them because of the bells and whistles. They did not go out looking for an elceltric car and came back deciding that a tesla was the best option out there. Much like my truck. My wife was attracted to the bells and whisltes while I insisted that it was a diesel.

tikal February 7th, 2020 09:04

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Originally Posted by bhtooefr (Post 5570354)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpsd0yRYk8c

(I'd have combined the Prius Prime with the PHV, seeing as it's the second generation of the PHV, but hey.)

Very neat evolution of US Electric Vehicles sales since 2012. Thanks for the link!

Apparently the Kia Soul EV did not even make it in the charts at the bottom :confused:

JSH1 February 15th, 2020 12:36

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Originally Posted by atc98002 (Post 5529731)
I happen to like and support both. I guess my "green" credentials have a shade of blue to them. :p

It's really not an either/or proposition.

No it isn't. Until recently we had a 2016 Spark EV paired with a 2014 Jetta Sportwagen. The Spark handled my 50 mile commute and trips around down. My wife used the TDI for her 14 mile commute and our trips out of town. We used each car were it worked best.

The Spark went back to GM last September after the lease was up. It is by far the least expensive car I have ever owned. At 400 lb-ft of torque at 0 RPM was fun too.

Now we have the TDI and my wife rides her bicycle to work.

turbobrick240 February 15th, 2020 16:36

Five years out and dieselgate is still costing VW billions. It looks as though German owners will be getting $.9 billion in compensation:

https://www-autoblog-com.cdn.ampproj...-settlement%2F

ericy February 16th, 2020 06:11

I found an interesting documentary about the future of the German auto industry:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcXjVxaKzv4


The short version is that they are dragging their feet on electrification. Partly because they are really good at making ICE engines, but there is also a lot of political pressure to the save the jobs of all of the people in the supply chain who make engines, transmissions and other such things. In doing so, they risk being completely left behind in the transition.



But as things stand now, sales of ICE vehicles are down - especially on some of the more expensive (and hence more profitable cars). Only sales of EVs were up for the year.

tikal February 17th, 2020 09:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericy (Post 5572385)
I found an interesting documentary about the future of the German auto industry:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcXjVxaKzv4

The short version is that they are dragging their feet on electrification. Partly because they are really good at making ICE engines, but there is also a lot of political pressure to the save the jobs of all of the people in the supply chain who make engines, transmissions and other such things. In doing so, they risk being completely left behind in the transition.

But as things stand now, sales of ICE vehicles are down - especially on some of the more expensive (and hence more profitable cars). Only sales of EVs were up for the year.

Ok so overall US sales of ICE passenger vehicles are down and sales of large gasoline trucks and large gasoline SUVs are up. And that leaves you with an overall US passenger vehicle average MPG stuck in the low to mid 20s MPG. Am I missing something?

turbobrick240 February 17th, 2020 09:34

The Japanese are also dragging their feet largely out of fears of disrupting their supply chains. These next few years should be very interesting.

https://www-teslarati-com.cdn.amppro...-3-teardown%2F


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