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bizzle August 27th, 2019 13:02

We'll be keeping the Treg so I'm thinking Buzz over Crozz for my family.

Not sure when we'd be driving the Treg under those conditions but if it keeps the wife happy...

jackbombay August 27th, 2019 17:24

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Originally Posted by tikal (Post 5532293)
As another data point regarding Priuses used as taxis (and not necessarily to contradict your information). When I traveled to Spain some few years I learned that the Pruises used in the city of Valencia were experiencing issues but I do not have specifics.

This is some premium grade exceedingly vague completely unverifiable information.

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Originally Posted by IndigoBlueWagon (Post 5532202)
My son is driving his '02 Golf from Northampton MA to Madison WI today. Trip is just over 1,000 miles...

Intermediate level long distance driver, not bad ;-)

IndigoBlueWagon August 27th, 2019 18:32

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Originally Posted by jackbombay (Post 5532422)
Intermediate level long distance driver, not bad ;-)

I'd agree with that. I'm headed out there in October, and am considering taking a couple more days and heading to Bozeman to visit my brother before he leaves the area. That's a little more serious.

jackbombay August 27th, 2019 21:08

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Originally Posted by IndigoBlueWagon (Post 5532440)
heading to Bozeman to visit my brother before he leaves the area.

Why's he leaving Bozeman?

oilhammer August 28th, 2019 03:39

We help service a lot of cabs, many of which are Prius or hybrid Camry models. They overall hold up OK but are subject to a few things with higher mileages. Batteries are common (we do these on non-cab Toyota hybrids frequently).

Camry getting a new battery:

http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/500/med...24_1205201.jpg

Prius battery (note how the entire interior aft of the B-pillars must come out... these are not service friendly AT ALL):

http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/500/med...1140553-00.jpg

Transmissions here and there:

http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/500/med...219_104635.jpg

Not that the transmission itself fails, but they leak coolant from an o-ring in the bellhousing (there is coolant running through the transmission case to cool the motor/generator). The o-ring, because of the design of the transmission, would require complete disassembly to fix... and Toyota doesn't even sell any parts for these anyway. Fortunately used units are readily available.

We seem to be doing a high number of Prius (and other Toyota) evaporator cores lately:

http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/500/med...109_061914.jpg

http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/500/med...15_0620511.jpg

And of course the common coolant pumps, valves, etc. of their complicated dual cooling system:

http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/500/med...208_054057.jpg

IndigoBlueWagon August 28th, 2019 04:50

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Originally Posted by jackbombay (Post 5532490)
Why's he leaving Bozeman?

His wife has a new job in Alexandria VA. He's moving there later this fall, somewhat reluctantly. But he says he'll go back to Bozo if the opportunity arises. He's been there since college (mid 70s). Really likes it there.

redbarron55 August 28th, 2019 06:00

The only thing I had to replace in 197 K miles was that electric inverter coolant pump and the battery. 14 years and 197 miles, not bad.
I found a pullout "New" Battery that had been replaced by Toyota right before it was wrecked in Mississippi.
New tires, New battery, New pump in the 2002 Gen I Prius. Mom gave it to our son for the last two weeks of it's like.....
Normal death sentence for my cars.

atc98002 August 28th, 2019 06:01

@Oilhammer, that picture of a completely disassembled dash is scary!

oilhammer August 28th, 2019 06:17

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Originally Posted by atc98002 (Post 5532542)
@Oilhammer, that picture of a completely disassembled dash is scary!

Heh, just another day at the office here. You want scary, check out someone doing a "bulletproofing" on a 6.0L Powerstroke. :eek:

IndigoBlueWagon August 28th, 2019 06:51

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Originally Posted by redbarron55 (Post 5532541)
The only thing I had to replace in 197 K miles was that electric inverter coolant pump and the battery. 14 years and 197 miles, not bad.
I found a pullout "New" Battery that had been replaced by Toyota right before it was wrecked in Mississippi.
New tires, New battery, New pump in the 2002 Gen I Prius. Mom gave it to our son for the last two weeks of it's like.....
Normal death sentence for my cars.

I think the admirable thing about this is you managing to drive a Gen 1 Prius for 14 years and 197K miles. I test drove one before I bought IBW and after a short highway run decided I wouldn't be able to tolerate it on a daily basis. And I wanted to like the car. My recollection is it couldn't hold 75 MPH without the transmission going nuts.

The Gen 1 is still my favorite, followed closely by the current Gen. A lot of people think the current Prius is fugly, but I think it steps over the line of being so ugly it's beautiful.

oilhammer August 28th, 2019 06:56

I cannot stand to drive them long enough to get the coolant up to temp after service. I make one of the porters do that. That is always a fun PITA, because they are awful to bleed the cooling systems on. The one's with the coolant going through the catalyst are not as bad, they warm up much faster.

redbarron55 August 29th, 2019 16:05

While I was driving the Prius our other car was a 2009 JSW and I did enjoy it much more.
The Prius was a good bit cheaper to own and drive, but all it had to do was get me to and from work.
By the way my wife hated it as well. but I noticed that almost without fail I ended up where I wanted to go and got back.

Owain@malonetuning August 29th, 2019 16:20

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Originally Posted by oilhammer (Post 5532509)
Prius battery (note how the entire interior aft of the B-pillars must come out... these are not service friendly AT ALL):
http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/500/med...1140553-00.jpg

Looks like one heck of a job! is the photo blurry from you shaking in anger :p

oilhammer August 30th, 2019 03:39

Yeah must've had some schmutz on the camera lens.

The job isn't all that bad. I have done just about everything you can think of to a Prius. Engines, transmissions, HVAC case stuff, steering racks, axle beams, and COUNTLESS batteries, inverters, water pumps, intake manifolds, control valves, thermos bottles.... you name it. Not a bad car to work on really. Toyotas in general are not too bad, but they for sure are not really made to be taken apart and put back together due to all the cheesy little plastic expando-clips everywhere. Where Volkswagen would use a gauntlet of Torx screws (fender liners, bumper covers, splash shields) that are super easy to R&R, Toyota uses those darn clips that have a 50% chance of breaking upon removal. Plus, they'll use four different ones to hold one piece on the car. And some of them are frightfully expensive. The four big ones on the bottom of an RX330 for instance ar $18 apiece! :eek: Also, Toyota does not seem to bother with good corrosion resistant fasteners, especially on things like steering/suspension/exhaust/brakes.

My boss, who when I first met him way back in the '80s, was a big flag waving GM fanboy. And he took no breaks from ribbing my friend and mentor at the time about Toyotas. Now, the boss is a total Toyota (mostly the hybrids) kool-aid drinker. And bad mouths GM like they are the spawn of satan. :rolleyes: So to that end, he seems to solicit a lot of Prius work here. We get loads of them that the dealers just price the repairs out of orbit for any mere mortal, and we come in and do the job for FAR less and get them back on the road. So that's cool. Even the only Toyota specialist shop in town won't touch any Toyota hybrid aside from simple oil changes and stuff. So we stay busy with those for sure.

Only downside is, Prius drivers crash. A lot. And those cars are very fragile on the outside. You can, literally, with your bare hands, tear a bumper cover right off the front of one (reference cheesy plastic clips above). And the low hanging fragile bits behind them, like the thermos bottle, the dual radiators, condenser, etc. are all ripe for smashing. Steering racks bend and break if you drive over a dead squirrel. Control arms bend easily. And a deer strike.... yeah, those usually cannot be fixed. So we are constantly dealing with cobbling broken stuff back together, and I swear every Prius driver must carry a roll of duct tape in the glove box, because they often come in here with that as the only means to hold whatever fragile plastic bits on the outside of the car that came loose on to the body. :p

IndigoBlueWagon August 30th, 2019 05:04

I was behind a Prius entering the freeway the other day and the entire rear bumper was covered with duct tape. The car was silver and the tape was gray. You'd think at least they could have matched the color.

There was a Peach Parts member whose sig said "Lumpy duct tape is a sign of poor workmanship." I like that.


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