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KeyTDI January 17th, 2019 09:57

Just called AAA, and the warranty is worthless, as, whilst I am a 15 year member, the original purchaser has to be present to make the warranty exchange. PO is unresponsive about anything since the day after I bought the car, so thats not an option.


One thought was that I know the car sat at the VW dealer for 3 months, and I think its safe to assume it drained and died during that period. I know that will mortally wound a battery, when it drains to 0v.



When the battery was off the car for the service, I put it on my Smart Charger in "Repair Mode", and that tests, desulphates, and charges. It was on that for 3 hours or so, and in a short time, it showed a 100% reading afterwards.
I'm also thinking that something like an interior light maybe on, draining the battery. I gave a quick look and saw nothing, but the glovebox light did not go off when I pressed what I thought was the trigger button.


Need to check that before I get into spending $ on a battery for nothing.

bizzle January 17th, 2019 09:58

BTW, I forgot that my wife would be taking the bug to work this morning but here is a shot of the wagon with Air80 on every window except the windshield
https://i.imgur.com/rFl7V9u.jpg?1

and here is the front windshield that we just replaced for $200 or less:
https://i.imgur.com/xjOg5M8.jpg
The brand is FUYAO and I had to ask for it by name.

There are three levels of quality when asking for parts: OE, OEM, and aftermarket.
OE is original equipment (built for manufacturer), OEM is original equipment manufacturer (built to manufacturer spec but not necessarily for the manufacturer itself), and aftermarket (built to fit...hopefully).

So when you're calling around you may need to specify that, although you aren't going to the dealer (OE), you still want OEM quality but not aftermarket. they should be able to offer 3 tiers of pricing: going down to the dealership and getting your windshield and putting it in, sourcing the same glass used at the dealership, and then the cheapest aftermarket alternative. I'm assuming you're aiming for that OEM tier, and that's what I found FUYAO to be when I ran some searches on the different brands the glass places told me over the phone.


and yes, it's been raining here too you just can't see the water on the ground. Sorry to hear it's gloomy over there :)

KeyTDI January 17th, 2019 10:17

Got it.
If you can PM me, or post details of where you got the glass done, it would be great. If I have to spend $30 in gas to save $150, I'm up for that!

Just went out and looked at the glass... the vertical crack has not grown much, and is barely visible from the inside, so I think I will wait until I get back from the AZ run.
Do these cars have to sit to let the glass bonding set?


Back to the battery. After a 26 mile run yesterday, the battery should have been good to go. The volt meter was reading 11.7v Key on.


Confirmed the glovebox light is going out, by putting my phone in there in video mode!


I think I will have the battery tested when I have the tires balanced today.

bizzle January 17th, 2019 10:24

You can drive that car all week long and the battery won't top up. I've been wrenching on European cars for the better part of 30 years so you're making me dust some cobwebs off some of my memory buckets, but I'm pretty sure the behavior you're describing is working as intended other than the occasional slow start indicating some battery weakness.

I'll PM you the shop. Call them up and ask them about how long it'll need to sit. I don't remember if that was a requirement because if I'm remembering correctly we got back into town late in the evening and they agreed to pick it up from our house and we weren't able to get it back until the next morning. But that was probably more to do with their hours of operation than it having to cure in their parking lot. I do remember that we couldn't remove the tape for a full day and I remember, but my wife doesn't, that we were supposed to leave the windows down for the day so the pressure wouldn't pop the bead (but it was during the summer so that might not apply now).

turbobrick240 January 17th, 2019 12:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by bizzle (Post 5475092)
BTW, I forgot that my wife would be taking the bug to work this morning but here is a shot of the wagon with Air80 on every window except the windshield
https://i.imgur.com/rFl7V9u.jpg?1

and here is the front windshield that we just replaced for $200 or less:
https://i.imgur.com/xjOg5M8.jpg
The brand is FUYAO and I had to ask for it by name.

There are three levels of quality when asking for parts: OE, OEM, and aftermarket.
OE is original equipment (built for manufacturer), OEM is original equipment manufacturer (built to manufacturer spec but not necessarily for the manufacturer itself), and aftermarket (built to fit...hopefully).

So when you're calling around you may need to specify that, although you aren't going to the dealer (OE), you still want OEM quality but not aftermarket. they should be able to offer 3 tiers of pricing: going down to the dealership and getting your windshield and putting it in, sourcing the same glass used at the dealership, and then the cheapest aftermarket alternative. I'm assuming you're aiming for that OEM tier, and that's what I found FUYAO to be when I ran some searches on the different brands the glass places told me over the phone.

Your Fuyao windshield is aftermarket. The OEM for our cars are Saint Gobain and AGC. My aftermarket windshield was PPG. Pilkington also makes quality aftermarket glass.

bizzle January 17th, 2019 13:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbobrick240 (Post 5475143)
Your Fuyao windshield is aftermarket. The OEM for our cars are Saint Gobain and AGC. My aftermarket windshield was PPG. Pilkington also makes quality aftermarket glass.

https://i.imgur.com/KYCxEOh.jpg?1

Quote:

Fuyao Glass Industry Group Co. Ltd (Chinese: 福耀玻璃工业集团股份有限公司) is a manufacturing company in the People's Republic of China, engaged in the production of float glass, automobile glass and construction glass. It is one of the largest auto glass producers in the world,[1] with customers including large international automobile manufacturers such as Ford, General Motors, Subaru and Volkswagen Group.
(emphasis mine)

As I wrote earlier, there are OE, OEM, and aftermarket tiers. The differences between the OE side windows and the OEM windshield on my vehicle are the VW stamps and a few hundred dollars. "Aftermarket" glass won't have any relationship to the manufacturer other than measurements (which can range from precise to sloppy).

If you walk around *your* car you'll likely find a range of brands stamped on the glass with the only common factor being the VW stamp. Perhaps yours will all be one brand, but it won't make the glass any more or any less "better" than my hodgepodge of FUYAO w/ Saint Gobain and Vitro (all original, original equipment glass). Manufacturers work with a variety of suppliers. The lack of a VW stamp on the glass doesn't render the part "aftermarket" if it's from an OE supplier--it's OEM. An aftermarket part would be something like, "bizzleglass" with no relationship to the manufacturer or access to their specifications, and likely have those manufacturing defects and lack of clarity pointed out earlier in the thread.

turbobrick240 January 17th, 2019 13:35

Just because Fuyao may be an OEM for a rear view mirror doesn't make their windshield an OEM part. Your Fuyao windshield is aftermarket, period. That doesn't necessarily mean it is lacking in quality. Sometimes aftermarket parts are actually superior in quality to their OE and OEM counterparts. Here's an interesting thread debating the merits of OEM vs aftermarket windshields:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=457465

bizzle January 17th, 2019 13:37

That's not a rear view mirror.

KeyTDI January 17th, 2019 15:12

Chill down Peeps!;)

All opinions are valid!


Ok, some updates...
My current windshield may well be the original... which is a surprise.
VW logo, and Sekurit brand.
The mask is showing signs of age tho...
https://i135.photobucket.com/albums/...pskri6j37j.jpg





Thanks for the Info Bizzle!
Its 190 miles away from me, but $40 in gas saves $110... will shop around and see what else I can find.



This was this morning... Key on, not started.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q...psqeotmvaa.jpg



And running...
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q...pscnf3qt4f.jpg





Battery was tested at Walmart, and their machine says its healthy, but I noted tested voltage@12.45v is lower than I think it should be.
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps4lbov4ig.jpg


My New(Used) Ebay key arrived.
OEM Key fob with new, virgin chip and blank key ready to cut... $35 delivered.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q...psisvxs2qh.jpg


My son has VCDS(For his Audi Allroad), and will be with him for the weekend, so I'd be keen to know how/if I can set up the new key with that if anyone knows or has a link to how???

turbobrick240 January 17th, 2019 15:20

Those cigarette lighter voltmeters/usb chargers are great. I bought a couple last month. The glow plugs would pull the voltage down to around 11.5-.7 in my car too.

BarryT82 January 17th, 2019 15:20

You need vagtacho and VCDS to setup the key. You could have purchased a cut key from fixmyvw.com and rented the cable to code it.

bizzle January 17th, 2019 15:51

Crap, I knew I was forgetting something :/

I have two of those key fobs, one with an uncut key. I had bought them for my 2012, I don't think they're the same as my 2015 so if you decide you want more let me know.

If/when you get the programming figured out, I'm curious about the process. If you have to rent a tool, I'd go halves with you. I need a second key for my wagon.

I was under the impression keys for our years couldn't be added without talking to the mothership. When I had my 2012 I left the parts department with an A/C compressor, tossed in the back, set my keys and wallet down to close the hatch!, and then subsequently stared at what I had just done. The guys couldn't help me any more than calling AAA who against policy unlocked my car so I could show them my wallet once the dealership vouched for what happened :)

turbobrick240 January 18th, 2019 07:56

I'd recommend getting that windshield replaced before your trip out to AZ. Having an obstructed view and weakened glass could be a safety issue on a long trip.

KeyTDI January 18th, 2019 18:02

Already here!
Had a good run out.
Traffic was slow leaving Riverside, and Friday evening rush hour plus contruction in Phoenix was horrible.
Ran 70-75 mph most of the way, and numbers were:
Filled the tank on Wednesday, and did 33 miles before we left this morning, so 396 miles on the trip today. Average for today was 42.5 mpg. Still showing 1/3 of a tank and range left reads 145 miles.
Had an unexpected CEL, after a lunch stop, which I recorded and cleared.
P0401
Egr low recirculating flow or something. Hasn’t come back.

KeyTDI January 19th, 2019 03:56

Had time to look at the photos I took of the codes.
There were 3.
All were generic P0401 “EGR Insufficient Flow Detected”.
One Current, one Pending, and one Permanent.
First time I’ve had a MIL/CEL since I bought it, or 700 miles.
We had complered 235 miles at a steady 50/70mph including the long drag up out of Indio. Just before the climb I was reading 46.2 mpg ave.
Stopped for lunch and the MIL came on within 15 mins after restart. I stopped at the next rest area and checked/cleared them.
They have not returned yet.
Having done some reading, seems I need to inspect my tailpipe for soot, as that might give clues to if the DPF is cracked. Most of the treads are older, so I’m not sure if the DPF or EGR are covered under any warranty extension.

My son, looked the car over on arrival, and commented that it was in better shape than he expected. He noted that the drivers seat is sagging, as well as worn. I felt that too, but hopefully I can find a replacement. An inspection confirmed that the valve cover is dry, so the oil leak from the filler is cured.


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