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bklynkid July 30th, 2009 07:46

Jetta TDI 2009 - which oil and how much?
 
Hi guys, I'm sorry if this has been answered before. I searched really hard and couldn't find the answer. I'm going in for my 10K scheduled service and I plan on grilling the service department to make sure they put in the right oil by proving it with an empty canister and telling me exactly how much they put.
So once and for all to clear it up... what kind of oil (507.00?) and exactly how much?
Any other tips for my first scheduled service visit? I'm nervous after reading all the horror stories on here.
Thanks!

ruking July 30th, 2009 08:35

Here is the straight scoop, VW 507.00 specification oils. Pick your brand :)

You might want to go down to the actual service department doing your oil change BEFORE the change is due and take or get a tour. It could take 2 mins to 2 hours, you essentially control this. You can ask then the very same questions. You can either cut to the chase and lay it out for them or ask them: What oil do you use for MY 2009 TDI. If you don't get a good feeling or they don't provide the right answers, BEFORE is a great time to find out, rather than .....after the aftermath....

So if you want shades of grey, here are a few curves.

1. The dealer sells VW 507.00 Castrol LLX 5w30 (gold bottle) That is the "technically" correct oil to use. Your 09 TDI would use 4 (33.8 oz=1 liters (135.2 oz)

2. (not likely but) The dealer MIGHT also stock bulk 5w30, VW 507.00 (comes in 25/55 gal drums). It may or may not be the Castrol brand.

3. But since most VW service departments overwhelming service GASSERS, it makes little sense to put VW 507.00 (5w30)specification oils on the main line oil hose system dispenser. So even under the best of conditions, the oil changer has to MAKE SURE VW 507.00, 5w30 is used.

4. #3 being true, they might just go(internal) to the parts department and get 4 liters of the Castrol LLX 5w30, VW 507.00. If so, count yourself lucky. It is pretty much and open and shut case. However it is not to the dealerships financial interest to use this oil, when it is SO much cheaper in bulk. Plus, something they can sell for upwards of $7.50 per liter now is ...consumed. I am sure they get reimbursed far less for the warranty work. ( included oil changes)

5. You can bring your own VW 507.00, 5w30 oil and order : use customer provided oil ONLY.

My two cent preferences are: (dont let this detract from the above post)

1. Mobil One VW 507.00, 5w30
2. Mobil One MB 229.1 specification oil, 5w40 (you might lose some mpg, it is NON VW 507.00, wear should be 40% less)
3 Total Quartz INEO 5w30, VW 507.00

bklynkid July 30th, 2009 09:11

Wow excellent post, thank you!

Hmm so seems like unless they have a bulk container of 507.00 (which you're saying that probably dont) then they'd have to use individual containers and in which case I can request empty containers to be provided to me at the end as proof.

But sounds like I should probably bring my own oil... where would I get this? Any old AutoZone or is this a specialty item? Also how would can I verify afterwards that exactly 4 liters were put in? Dip stick? (I have to be honest I've looked under the hood a total of only two times when changing the washer fluid)

Thanks again, very very helpful post!

barshnik July 30th, 2009 10:09

avlube.com sells the Mobil 1 ESP 507.00. Many think this oil is a step above the 'factory' Casterol SLX 507.00.

You won't find any 507 oil at car stores (at least for a long while).

chester_tdi July 30th, 2009 12:30

Why does the receipt for a 10k service show 5 liters of oil? Are they using more then 4 liters because there may be oil loss in 10,000 miles? I asked for the left over oil and was given about 1/2 a bottle.

unsub1 July 30th, 2009 12:46

I thought a change required like 4.2 liters.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chester_tdi
Why does the receipt for a 10k service show 5 liters of oil? Are they using more then 4 liters because there may be oil loss in 10,000 miles? I asked for the left over oil and was given about 1/2 a bottle.


countryboy9799 July 30th, 2009 13:06

I thought the oil change was 4 liters which is 4.2 qts. If they mixed it up and thought the oil bottles were qts instead of liters they thought they needed 5. It was my understanding the oil came in liter bottles anyways. Better check your oil and make sure they didn't overfill it.

bklynkid July 31st, 2009 06:28

Thanks for all the help.

Since the oil seems to be special order, I don't think I can get it in time for tomorrows service. I'm going to have to just demand to talk to the mechanic BEFORE he changes my oil and ask what he is going to do, etc. Now, what should the procedure be if they still screw it up? If they for example give me back empty bottles and it is clearly the wrong oil or I check the amount and they put in too much? What should I say then?

jimlockey July 31st, 2009 07:03

My dealer gave me a qt of 507 oil when I bought my 09 Sportwagen six months ago. I just had my first 10,000 mile oil change and check up. All was great and I still have the same qt of oil.

motoblue July 31st, 2009 07:40

How can they screw up if you clarify what they are doing BEFORE they touch your car?

OK, that was a rhetorical question. Don't answer that.

Seriously, though, before they do the service, confirm they will be using a 507.00 oil, and that they will only be using 4 bottles (1 liter per bottle) MAX.

After they confirm they will do just that, BEFORE you leave their lot, pop your hood and inspect the area. Check the dipstick. You might be a little over if they didn't drain the filter housing, but a little over won't hurt. OTOH, if the oil is running well over the full mark, go back inside and ask them to remove some of the oil.

Take your time and do not be embarrassed to check their work in front of them. You are in fact a paying customer, even in this scenario of the "free" maintenance period.

BTW, part of the service is that they rotate your tires. If you take them up on this, be sure you check that they have in fact done this--again, while still on the lot.

Turbine Suburban July 31st, 2009 08:12

Quaker state has one apparently also. Maybe even at walmart!?

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=243410

ruking July 31st, 2009 08:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by bklynkid
Thanks for all the help.

Since the oil seems to be special order, I don't think I can get it in time for tomorrows service. I'm going to have to just demand to talk to the mechanic BEFORE he changes my oil and ask what he is going to do, etc. Now, what should the procedure be if they still screw it up? If they for example give me back empty bottles and it is clearly the wrong oil or I check the amount and they put in too much? What should I say then?

Let us know how it works out !!??

On the separate side bar issue of "correct" oil level, needless to say there has been considerable controversy. Indeed there is controversy on the so called "plain as day" ( by the owner's manual) dipstick check/ing procedure.

Not to add to the controversy, but put forth as a practical consideration, slightly over ( up to a quart) over is not going to be catastrophic. Indeed I have even overfilled myself. Rather than evaculate it out (easy to do with an evaculator) I just left it in. Would I recommend that one over fills? Absolutely not !!

tditom July 31st, 2009 09:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruking
Here is the straight scoop, VW 507.00 specification oils. Pick your brand :)

...

My two cent preferences are: (dont let this detract from the above post)

1. Mobil One VW 507.00, 5w30
2. Mobil One MB 229.1 specification oil, 5w40 (you might lose some mpg, it is NON VW 507.00, wear should be 40% less)
3 Total Quartz INEO 5w30, VW 507.00

#2 is bad advice. no one should be using (or recommending) non 507 for the cr engine

ruking July 31st, 2009 09:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by tditom
#2 is bad advice. no one should be using (or recommending) non 507 for the cr engine

On the decision tree, I did state it and ordered it lower than the shades of grey category. I stated it was my .02 preference. I did state it was NON 507.00.

Indeed, I have been using NON VW specification oil for 120,000 miles AND with 25,000 miles OCI's. (Delvac One 5w40, aka Mobil One TDT, etc) Again you would not know this to look at the labels, but it did and continues to meet higher standards. (VW 505.00?) see my signature for the information if interested.

tditom July 31st, 2009 09:53

OK, but where do you get this claim from?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruking
... Mobil One MB 229.1 specification oil, 5w40 (you might lose some mpg, it is NON VW 507.00, wear should be 40% less)
...



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